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Kupu75
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Posted @ 05-11-2009 09:51

Hello,
next month I'll be doing some transactional business operations in Indonesia (I'm from Europe) and I'd like to know if somebody of you could give me some tips about laws in Indonesia, and how to act or.. how not to act... You would be very kind...
Or even if you know a reliable lawyer/lawyer agency there...
The thing is that I don't have much money but I'd like to be sure in a country I don't know very much...
Thank you very much for your kind answer..




Yerun
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Posted @ 05-11-2009 12:35

If you are going to make a (business) transaction next month and you are asking people for legal advice at this moment I have one: don't do the transaction as you are not prepared for it.

I am sure you will never do such a thing in Europe at such a short notice, don't even bother to think about it in Indonesia, where the legal system is a copy of the Dutch one, but only executed by corrupt officials, friends of officials, family member of officials, neighbors of officials.. ect.. ect..



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Posted @ 05-11-2009 13:28


On 05-11-2009 09:51 Kupu75 wrote: transactional business operations

Could you please explain the phrase above? Would that be `transactions,' like in buying or selling stuff, or would it be a business solution that will have to be implemented so it can be shared and communicated at an event?


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Kupu75
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Posted @ 05-11-2009 15:53

First of all, thank you very much both of you for your promt replies.

With "transactions" I meant investing in a hotel and creating a travel agency. So I know, Yerun, that it's a bit late, you're right, but better late than never (ups!)... do you know somebody who could help me about these issues there and who I can rely on?
I'd like to do things well... (or my best).

Thank you again for your opinions, I'll count on them for sure..




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(Edited) Posted @ 05-11-2009 16:04


On 05-11-2009 15:53 Kupu75 wrote: do you know somebody who could help me about these issues there and who I can rely on?

I know a few Indonesian lawyers. That said - without elaboration - my idea would be to wait (as Yerun suggested), take more time. Much more time. Investing in this country can mean serious financial problems for the investor, especially if he's a foreigner. If you sign any contract, you may consider to include that any legal or financial disputes will be presented to and decided by a court in your place of residence (Germany?). But I'm not sure that would be of any help.


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Yerun
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Posted @ 05-11-2009 16:09

I always say that an autograph is worthless here, and until now I still stand by that opinion. Everything is possible, take your time to figure out as much of those options as you can, and find out what the results can be for you.



Kupu75
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Posted @ 05-11-2009 16:31

Ok, I'll follow your advices. I'll go there (I've already bought the flight for next month), I'll watch and listen every word carefully, I'll come back to Europe and I'll think about it.
And maybe if I pay a lawyer there?? What do you think?
The thing is that both businesses are very interesting, I'd like to take part but also having there a lawyer who knows well how to react, what to do and who to speak with, if it's neccessary, would it be better so? Maybe paying a goog lawyer??

Guna, that's a good idea, to estipulate that in the contract.

By the way, I'm flying alone (I am a woman) to an island of Indonesia which isn't very frequented by tourists to meet an Indonesian friend (male) and other Indonesia people who I still don't know. I won't be in danger, right? Thank you again for your kind answers...

If I can help you with any other issue please just tell me.



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Posted @ 05-11-2009 16:35

Where are you going then?

If you pay a lawyer here (in Indonesia) and you are not around to check his/her work, then my recommendation would be not to pay him/her at all, since you simply have to check his/her work as much as possible to understand what is going on.



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(Edited) Posted @ 05-11-2009 16:44


On 05-11-2009 16:31 Kupu75 wrote: I won't be in danger, right?

Most probably not. That is, if I think what you are referring to. Money-wise, yes, you're in danger. Emotionally? Probably.


You think I'm over the hill, you think I'm past my prime? Let me see what you got, we can have a whoppin' good time.
Bob Dylan, Modern Times

guna2
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Posted @ 05-11-2009 17:07

By the way, Kupu, we can be wrong. Statistics are against it, but it is still possible you struck gold, both with your friend and your business plan. So please investigate, learn Bahasa Indonesia (crucial), and postpone any decision until you are convinced you make the right one. In my 18 years in Indonesia (Yogya), I've seen them come and go.


You think I'm over the hill, you think I'm past my prime? Let me see what you got, we can have a whoppin' good time.
Bob Dylan, Modern Times

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Posted @ 06-11-2009 15:37

Kupu75,

If you refer to use a lawyer, I think the amount of money to be invested is more then just as small amount. If that is the case my advise is as follows.

Contact the Indonesian embassy in your country.
Ask them the options you have in terms of investment.
If you invest seriously a so called PMA (foreign Investment Company) might just do the trick to secure the investment. And yes, you are free to engage in which law is applicable in a contract you could use a country you are familiar with.

There is also a council in the chamber of commerce in your country.
Free of charge. Mostlikely they will have or refer to a specific department.

Good luck !


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