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(Edited) Posted @ 27-06-2009 04:54

Bahasa Indonesia is as difficult a language as any other. However, without much effort, you can learn Bahasa Indonesia for daily use in a matter of weeks, rather than years. You will be surprised how much you can communicate in that language in such a short time. And it's worth the effort. Most Indonesians don't or hardly speak English, and apart from that, they appreciate you speaking their language, and they will help you whenever they can. In Marketing Speak you'd call that `added value.' Your holiday in Indonesia will never be the same again.
As a linguist, I've seen many course books for Bahasa Indonesia, but none of them begins with the obvious: What not to learn. Now this is both a rather useful and encouraging approach. I'll try and list the things you don't have to learn, and the things I think are very basic, so you do need to learn or even memorise them.
If you see an asterisk*, that means that there will be exceptions to what I'm claiming. And if you see an incomprehensible language between brackets (), that will be Dutch. The majority of the members of this forum is Dutch (it's a good thing they don't have the right to vote), and although most, if not all, of them can read and occasionally understand English, I'll do them the favour of explaining the `technical' (grammatical) terms in Dutch.
Please give me a day or so to compile the list mentioned above. In the meantime, please think of something to help beginners in BI with the pronunciation of it. For that we need a native speaker of that language, and something like Skype. Suggestions appreciated.


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(Edited) Posted @ 27-06-2009 05:30

WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO LEARN

Nouns (zelfstandige naamwoorden)
- no articles (lidwoorden)
- no plurals (meervoud)*
- no declensions (verbuigingen)

Adjectives (bijvoeglijke naamwoorden)
- no declensions (verbuigingen)
- no comparative/superlative (vergrotende/overtreffende trap)*

Verbs
- no tenses (tijden)
- no conjugations (vervoegingen)

Words
- there are lots of loan words (leenwoorden) in Bahasa Indonesia - from Sanskrit, Portuguese, Dutch and English. The Dutch have the advantage here, since the English loan words are pretty recent and less frequent. I'll try to come up here with a list of the most useful Dutch loan words


You think I'm over the hill, you think I'm past my prime? Let me see what you got, we can have a whoppin' good time.
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(Edited) Posted @ 27-06-2009 06:14

WHAT YOU DO HAVE TO LEARN

Numerals (telwoorden)
Even if you don't want to learn BI, it's very useful to know how to count. After all, this is the country of tawar-menawar. The bad news is that counting up to ten is not enough in a country with a currency like the Rupiah. Millions and millions you'll need to know. The good news, however, is that counting is pretty systematic, structured more or less like in English.

Forms of address (aanspreekvormen) and personal pronouns (persoonlijke voornaamwoorden)
It's very important - in any language, I'd say - that you address people correctly. The main problem here is, that this involves status and age, rather than gender (geslacht). Sorry, you'll have to learn that. Nothing I can do about it.

Verbs (werkwoorden)
Indonesians love the use of the passive (lijdende vorm). It's made using the prefix (voorvoegsel) `di.' For now, I think that's enough information. You can use the active as long as you understand when they use the passive.

Adjectives (bijvoeglijke naamwoorden)
Only one, easy rule: the adjective comes after the noun. The degrees of comparison (trappen van vergelijking): lebih for the comparative (vergrotende trap), paling for the superlative (overtreffende trap), both before the adjective.

Words
You'll have to learn words, lots of words. However, I'll try to compile a list of the most important ones you'll need when you travel. After all, 2,000 words is enough for the daily use of most languages, and BI is no exception.


You think I'm over the hill, you think I'm past my prime? Let me see what you got, we can have a whoppin' good time.
Bob Dylan, Modern Times


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