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On 18-05-2008 04:11 marcel70 wrote:
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Mmm benar sekali
Wis ya itu
What Nemessis write is a a rule what only comes out after you realy understand the Javaanse people.
It very important not to live in a mimpi terus
Pareng
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My god, is it because I live in a big city and not in a small village that i experience it very different
It sounds to me very kampungan..
Btw,: i'm impressed with your bahasa marcel....
Je klinkt bijna als een indonesier.... he he he
Greetz
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On 18-05-2008 05:19 dutchguy1000 wrote:
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Btw,: im impressed with your bahasa marcel....
Je klinkt bijna als een indonesier.... he he he
Greetz
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Bahasa Englis , Bahasa Belanda or Bahasa Indonesia.?
Mie toe , ayem pery impresip wit his bahasa .
Fully integrated , but be aware before he going to be assimilated.
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Bisa dicek mas .
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Mas Londoh
Matur suwun
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Mboh Banget
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Pa sidia
Benar peduli apa gak?
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Mboh Banget
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Other people than dutch often lay more emotion in their voice-level.We are used to talk low and softer and they will raise the volume and tone of theis voice if they are talking more emotional.Same as with a person dying for instance...where we are less emotional and keep our feelings to ourselves they will more show their true feelings in the open.I think it's all a mater of culture. 
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On 18-05-2008 17:48 Veer01 wrote:
Other people than dutch often lay more emotion in their voice-level.We are used to talk low and softer and they will raise the volume and tone of theis voice if they are talking more emotional.
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Are you sure?
I have lived more than 30 yrs among "common people", .
In several " Big Cities " in Holland .
The k last 25-30 yrs in Amsterdam.
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Bisa dicek mas .
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Amsterdam is "famous" for their big mouth, within the Netherlands. More to the east & south the mouth is "smaller". But I think our Dutch speaking friends in Belgium are more polite than the Dutch...
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Amore, more, ore, re, probantur amicitiae. Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditiones habes.
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Okay,but what i mean is that we dutch don't easy show our emotions in public like other people.Sometimes I regret that when it comes to things like losing a member of family for instance...where we don't show what we really feel. 
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Right on Nemisis, Indonesians DO come in two kinds. The ones that think they are LESS important than you and the ones that think they are MORE important than you. The ones that think they are less important are extremely polite; the ones that think they are more important than you, extremely impolite.
Fortunately most Indonesians are polite and do NOT place themselves above others. UNfortunately, the few that do place themselve above others, are the ones you meet in hotels and luxe restaurants.
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I fail to see the two kinds. Could be life, but I never met Indonesians thinking they are more or less. I meet people, in work and restaurants and hotels.
And speaking about beeing polite? We could learn from it. Difference in culture. But there you go. 
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It's only kinky the first time.
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To sidia: My use of Bahasa Indonesia (Melayu, in fact) is limited to the loose words and sentences that my memory retains from 15 years of childhood spent on Java. Regarding the Bahasa Jawa/Sunda, I know of the existence of three vocabularies, according to the social status of the persons involved. Until to-day, when I read your posting, I thought that involved three levels. But you mentioned eight levels. Does that mean that, for instance when a cabinet minister, a sultan, a bupati and a citizen refer to a palace, each of them must use a specific term depending on whom he is addressing himself to? - If I understood it well, could you give me some examples? If I am mistaken, thank you in advance for your putting me on the right path of this interesting phenomenon.
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