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Four ways you can possibly get around the law against mixed-religion marriages. Some time ago Law Professor Wahyono Darmabrata of Universitas Indonesia (UI), Depok, suggested four ways those of mixed faiths could marry, they being:

  • by court order
  • marrying according to each partner's religion
  • submitting to your partner's religion for marriage purposes, but without converting
  • marrying overseas

    The court order method is rare and was last done by one Andi Vonny Gani in 1989, however the revised law on Citizen Administration would make it more possible.

    The second option, having two ceremonies, one according to the man's religion and the other according to the woman's, depends on a certain interpretation of a clause in the 1974 Marriage Act, however the problem of which marriage is then to be recognised by the state has Professor Wahyono stumped.

    The third option is the most common, and was famously done by celebrity couple Deddy Corbuzier and Kalina in 2005. Deddy, who is Catholic, married Kalina, a Muslim, according to her faith, but did not convert to Islam. Their marriage was conducted by a celebrant from Yayasan Paramadina, which is led by Nurcholish Madjid.

    In the case of Islam this method requires finding a Muslim marriage celebrant who is willing to officiate. Orthodox interpretations of Islam forbid the practice of a Muslim woman marrying a non-Muslim man. (In the reverse case observers note that the Quran seems to permit a Muslim man to marry a Christian or Jewish woman, who maintains her faith thereafter, as was done by one of Muhammad bin Abdullah's wives, Mary the Copt.)

    Those wishing to follow this method, in the case where the bride-to-be is Muslim and the groom is not, had best seek a celebrant from liberal Muslim organisations such as the Wahid Institute, the Indonesian Conference on Religion and Peace (ICRP), as well as Paramadina. Having the marriage recognised by the state afterwards is a separate issue.

    Former minister of religion, Quraish Shihab, is of the opinion that the matter should be of no concern to the state, but rather be left up to each religion.

    Sudhar Indopa, of the Jakarta branch of the Civil Registry office, says the state is not unwilling to accommodate such mixed marriages, but defers to authorities on religion on whether the practice is acceptable.

    If religious authorities do not bless the marriage then the state cannot recognise it.

    Farida Prihatini of the Islamic Law department at UI however says that the Clerics' Council, Majelis Ulama Indonesia (MUI), has made mixed-religion marriages haram, or forbidden, and in principle other religions, besides Islam, do not allow them either.

    It's unacceptable, there is no [valid] marriage, it's living in sin.

    Father Andang Binawan says the Catholic church has no problem with mixed-religion marriages, provided the non-Catholic partner is willing to submit to the church's marriage laws, and commits to monogamy and life-long partnership, but need not convert to Catholicism, regardless of whether the non-Catholic partner is male or female.

    The final option, probably the simplest for those with enough money, is running off to Singapore or Australia, and is popular with celebrities, such as the Muslim Yuni Shara, who married the Protestant Henry Siahaan in Perth. Indonesian civil registry offices are bound by law to accept foreign marriage certificates as valid, however Farida Prihatini views this as unacceptable.

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    At least there are possibilities and someone from the government reassures the devide between religion and a secular government. Furthermore there will always be those 'extreme views' in life.


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    I think it is against the human rights to create laws that do impossible the marriage betwen two people of different religion.
    This is an issue that matters ONLY to the two partners and not the church or the goverment.
    Who cares if I am Catholic and I want to marry a Muslim woman.
    Indonesia has a lot of problems due to religion. Each person must have the freedom to do whatever want with his life.
    All religions are a bussines in which some people get the big apple and the crowd only get responsabilities and the obligation to be servile.
    All the big boss in all religions live in big and good houses, drive a good automovil and their kids are in the best and more expensive schools.
    The Indonesia's Law for marriage is, for me, a Mega-Stupid and Represive Law.



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    On 04-09-2007 11:16 suami5 wrote:
    The Indonesias Law for marriage is, for me, a Mega-Stupid and Represive Law.

    Maybe for you , but not for the Indonesian people or the Mosliw world.


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    Dear all :
    Pls give me an accurate info about "mixed religion marriage" cos Iam a mosleem en my friend has an other religion with me.
    He got an info that 'mixed religion marriage' has already possible to do in Indonesia,
    is it right ?

    dankje,
    Tulip




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    Hello Tulip and everybody in this Forum.
    Untill I know mixed religion marriage in Indonesia is not allowed by law.
    The problem is that the goverment does not take care of the big issues in the Indonesia society.
    One more thing: Muslims practice the Female Genital Mutilation. This HORRIBLE AND MONSTROUS mutilation is done without anaesthesia and by the end forbids the women to enjoy the sexual pleasures. Arround the world there are thousand of organizations fighting against this practice but still in Indonesia the muslim people cut the Clitoris and also the minor and mayor labias of the vulva.
    The Goverment is blind in front of this HORRIBLE MUTILATON.
    What can you expect from a Goberment like that?



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    Hope in the future Indonesian goverment would change the law, which forbid mixed religion marriage. As far as I know, it happened many years ago with actor and actrice couple, Lydia Kandou and Jamal Mirdad ? they get married in Catatan Sipil.




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    sidia


    Maybe for you , but not for the Indonesian people or the Moslim world.


    Posted Removed to prevent your adress from being spammed. Click this to go to the user profile. 04-09-2007 11:39


    As in INDOnesia mixed marriages almostly mean mixed with Islam religion we h'd got to know a few things, like are we to consider that:

    Firstly .



  • Nahdlatul Ulama. NU is the largest Muslim group in Indonesia, 40 millions followers.
  • While Muhammadiyah, the second largest Islamic organization has followers of about 35 millions. Muhammadiyah is considered to hold a more fundamentalist view of Islam.
    Source:About Christianity & Islam


  • Secondly .


    2.3. Life dynamic according to Islam .

    There are several spheres of life according to Islam.

    2.3.1. Ukhuwah Islamiyah (Relationship among Muslims)

  • Islam in Indonesia has a tradition of Ukhuwah Islamiyah or Islamic Solidarity. According to this tradition, Muslims have the obligation to look after and protect one another. This Islamic brotherhood is meant to maintain unity and equality in the community.
  • However, this concept of Islamic solidarity is often used to soften the differences between moderate and fundamentalist Muslims.
  • If a moderate becomes critical against the fundamentalist, their attitude could be portrayed as a communal betrayal.

    Yet sometimes moderates and fundamentalists disagree about the nature of Sharia itself.

    The fundamentalists emphasize one’s outward physical appearance (furu’iyah).
    For example, they say that females must wear head covering (JILBAB) in order to prevent lust. In addition, God fearing men must grow a beard and wear Islamic dress in order to prevent jealousy and suppress bad intentions. Muslims must also faithfully pray five times a day and greet each other.

    Moderate Muslims , however, consider all these outward manifestations as insubstantial.
    For the moderates, such as the NU,[7] Islam is about a value system that has to be lived and guarded. It is not about one’s outward physical appearance; rather, it is about how Islam responds to injustice, poverty, and unemployment.

    However, this kind of debate is a very sensitive issue within Islam. But it is not surprising that the NU and other moderates would feel threatened were the fundamentalists to take power and legislate conformity to the outward physical symbols of Islam.

    2.3.2. Ukhuwah Watoniah (Relationship between Muslims and non-Muslims)

    Theologically, there are two views on the relationship between Muslims and Non-Muslims :

    1) The moderate view and is based on Al Kaafiruun: 6 – “for you, it is your religion, and for me, it is my religion.” Based on that verse, Muslims can respect people who have different belief systems.

    Therefore, moderates like the NU could easily live with people of different religions. They believe in contextualization, not furu’iyah where females have to wear head covers and males have to grow beards, etc.

    2) The fundamentalist view is based on the understanding that “God doesn’t bear any children.” Therefore, there is only one true religion, and proponents of other religions are infidels who must be brought to repentance even through war if necessary.
    For the fundamentalist, furu’iyah becomes very important as an outward physical indicator of the devout.

    The imposition of furu’iyah by fundamentalists has been increasing steadily thanks to the new regional autonomy laws introduced a few years ago. Regional governments have now introduced all kinds of laws based on Islamic law ostensibly for the sake of security but without consideration for the rights of citizens of other religions.

    2.3.3. Ukhuwah Basariah (relationship between Muslims and other nations)

    According to Islam, relationships between nations have to be based on respect.
    However, for the fundamentalist, the spirit to proselytize Islam and its teaching has caused them to apply other Ukhuwah (Ukhuwah Islamiyah and Ukhuwah Watoniah) accordingly even across their own state lines.

    Source:About Christianity & Islam


  • Thirdly .


    Dakwah is an obligation for Muslims to help others to understand Islam better, for Muslims to become better Muslims, and to give non-Muslims the opportunity to become Muslims.



    'Ahu kura ahia, mansia nia'

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    And suami nr 5 , your comment pse ?


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    sidia

    And suami nr 5 , your comment pse ?

    Posted Removed to prevent your adress from being spammed. Click this to go to the user profile. 10-09-2007 13:50



    ".... do you like Amin Raïs or Wahid (Gus Dur) ......."



    'Ahu kura ahia, mansia nia'

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    Sophia Lacuba . Emoticon: Yes!


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    sidia

    Sophia Lacuba

    Posted Removed to prevent your adress from being spammed. Click this to go to the user profile. 10-09-2007 14:26


  • " .... siapa ....." (isteri nr. berapa ...... Emoticon: Wink Emoticon: Wink )


  • 'Ahu kura ahia, mansia nia'

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    We have also got to understand that certain 'mechanisms' were used by ex-president Suharto and his 'conglomerat' like:

  • SARA is an Indonesian acronym which stands for Tribal, Religion, Race, and Social Class .
    The government of Soeharto divided the people of Indonesia along those lines thereby creating a culture of suspicion among Indonesians.
    By causing groups to suspect each others along the SARA lines, the regime was able to exploit the nation and to establish their authoritarian style of government.

  • KKN , or Corruption-Collusion-Nepotism , is a culture found everywhere in the everyday life of the people, from the highest government institutions to everyday street businesses.

  • Dwifungsi the combining of militairy jobs and civil service jobs.

    The dual functions concept refers to the two roles that soldiers had. They were to develop social life and provide security in the regions.



    In certain 'civil matters' people will not talk openly about these things, fearing consiquences; likewise in 'mixed religion matters' .......





  • 'Ahu kura ahia, mansia nia'

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    Dear All :

    Hi, thx a lot for answer
    To be honest Iam a bit sad cos
    its still impossible to do in Indonesia,
    so the way out of it is
    getting married in out of Indonesia
    However,
    we cant predict with whats religion we are going to meet our right partner then, cos its a secret of God Emoticon: Blush
    So, its better we just waiting for a miracle about when it will be a true Emoticon: Blush




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    tulip

    To be honest Iam a bit sad cos
    its still impossible to do in Indonesia,
    so the way out of it is
    getting married in out of Indonesia.

    Posted Removed to prevent your adress from being spammed. Click this to go to the user profile. 13-09-2007 07:35


    Tulip yth.,

  • God does not make differances ; Jesus even invite 'small children' .... to come to him ........ so do not be sad be glad .... I'd said it more then once: " .... there is one God, people manipulate ..... "


  • 'Ahu kura ahia, mansia nia'

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    Indonesia as a secular unitary state, unifying races, etnicities and religions should facilitate marriages between different religions.

    If interfaith marriages cannot be facilitated how can you unite Buddhist, Christians, Hinduist, Muslims, Taoists?

    But I am afraid that Indonesia will follow the Malaysian model where goverment policy is set by race and religion. And were interfaith marriages are being seen as a criminal act.







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