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Aangirfan
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Bali 1965

http://www.converge.org.nz/abc/prsp25.htm

On Bali an estimated 80,000 people, or roughly 5% of the population, were killed.

"The populations of whole villages were executed, the victims either shot with automatic weapons or hacked to death with knives and machetes. Some of the killers were said to have drunk the blood of their victims or to have gloated over the numbers of people they had put to death" ("The Dark Side of Paradise: Political Violence in Bali" by Geoffrey Robinson, Cornell University Press, 1995, p1).

In chapter 11 of his profound, in-depth study on Bali, Robinson goes into some detail as to extent and nature of US involvement in the massacres. His overall assessment is that: "It can be demonstrated that US policy contributed substantially to the seizure of power by the military under Suharto and to the massacre that ensued" (ibid, p282).

As he emphasises, at least as early as 1957, US policy initiatives had been deliberately exploiting and encouraging "internal political cleavages in Indonesia with the intention of bringing down the established government" (ibid). On Bali, it was the arrival of the military with death lists and logistical support that mobilised the slaughter on a large scale. There was an orchestrated propaganda campaign to both instigate and legitimate the killings of those defined as the enemy.

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Bali.

John Pilger.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/a(...)od=full&siteid=50143

Few Australians are aware that not far from their holiday hotels are mass graves with the remains of some of more than 80,000 people murdered in Bali in 1965-66 with the connivance of the Australian government.

Recently-released files reveal that when the Indonesian tyrant General Suharto seized power in the 1960s, he did so with the secret backing of the American, British and Australian governments, which looked the other way or actively encouraged the slaughter of more than half a million people.

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Jeroen
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Please give your opinion or questions about this so a discussion can be started.



Aangirfan
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Time for REFORMASI.

Many Indonesians are unaware of the extent to which they have been, and are being, brainwashed and exploited by outside powers.

Some people say that Indonesia is an Empire run by the Javanese. Some say it is an Empire run by Javanese generals. But who owns the generals? Where were most of the top officers trained? In the USA.

America rules.

Take the example of American fast food and American clothes. American fast food is the worst in the world in terms of taste and yet nouveaux riche Indonesians often believe the TV adverts that lie to us about the qualities of American fried chicken and beef burgers. American clothes are often made with 'slave labour' and lack style and panache; yet the orang kaya like to be seen in them. Look around Kuta.

Take the example of American 'consumerism'. The people in the big houses in Pondok Indah no longer enjoy their lives. They are too busy worrying about the five foreign cars in their garages, the cost of their children's education in the States, the traffic jams, the cost of the outfits and jewelry for next wedding... Lebih bagus kembali kampung.

Take the example of 'fundamentalist Islam'. The gentlemen in the Pentagon fear democracy in strategically important Moslem countries and so they have secretly promoted 'fundamentalist Islam' in countries from Afghanistan to Pakistan. Osama bin Laden (whose mother is apparently Jewish) has been part of the plot.

The majority of Moslems, whether in Indonesia or Pakistan or Malaysia, want a moderate and tolerant form of Islam and they vote for secular political parties.

Malaysia has a moderate government and the USA does not like it because it criticises Israel and America. Pakistan tends to have military governments put into power by the USA. General Zia ul Haq, friend of the Pentagon, promoted pesantrens which taught extremist views.

Indonesians should know about what happened in Bali in 1965.

Time for Roformasi.







fabian
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I have read Robinson's book. It is a great piece of scholarship and research.

I was aware of 1965 when I went to Bali but guess what, no one wants to talk about it. I am not going to be a rude foreigner and ask questions about it when people don't want to. Indonesians themselves must slowly do this and I think they will. I read last year that mass graves in east Java have been found and I think the National Human Rights Commission has even set up an investigation.

Only when Suharto passes on will the real truth start to come out - his involvement, the CIA and whoever else.

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Aangirfan
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I have just had a look at
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diederick
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Osama bin Laden (whose mother is apparently Jewish) has been part of the plot.

Aha, so that is why he is the bad guy! His mother could be Jewish? What do you mean with that?



Aangirfan
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Osama has never attacked Israel and his family has always been close to the Bush family. The bin Ladens have huge investments in top American companies. Osama's father met Osama's mother, Hamida, in Jerusalem. There have been a number of reports that she was Jewish. Hamida was reportedly treated differently from the other wives. She was called the 'slave wife'. She wore Chanel suits rather than the veil. Osama was not exactly a strict Moslem. He loved the nightclubs of Beirut and, according to one acquaintance, he was "a heavy drinker who often ended up embroiled in shouting matches and fistfights with other young men over an attractive night-club dancer or barmaid." Reportedly Osama may have been financed by Jewish Diamond Merchants, Israeli Arm Smugglers and Jewish/Russian Mobsters. Osama has allegedly had close links with the CIA and allegedly visited military instalations in the USA using the name Tim Osman.




diederick
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There is a lot of alledgedly and reportedly in this posting to my taste. Second; so there is this huge Jewish complot (alledgedly all Jews are big friends from eachother. They are one very close commuity. Not so!). But what is their aim? Worlddominition by the Jews? It looks reportedly that they already have that, controlling the USA, the CIA even Osama bin Laden. It is rumoured that Adolf Hitler was also a half-jew, like Stalin, Fidel Castro, Nasser, to name but a few. Oh, oh this Jews, always dealing and scheming. It are a bad lot! Better get rid of them. The world would be much better them. Or would we miss them then?




Aangirfan
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Dear Diederick,

Are the Chinese the Jews of Asia? Elvis and David Beckham are 'reportedly' Jewish. How is that for getting off the topic of Bali?

The influence of Israel in Indonesia should not be exaggerated. However one can presume that Mossad has offices in Jakarta. http://www.laksamana.net/vnews(...)ncat=22&news_id=2290

Reports say Indonesian officers have been trained in Israel in anti-terrorist methods, and intelligence agencies of both countries have been exchanging information since the late 1960s.

Former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky has said that mossad is "very well entrenched in Indonesia, with the knowledge and permission of the Indonesian government."

Some reports imply that Israel in the late 1980s sold 28 US-made Skyhawk fighter aircraft to Indonesia.

George Aditjondro has written about the Suharto regime's purchase of Israeli Uzi guns and other weapons through Mossad-linked arms trader Shaul Eisenberg.




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