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President says western media is anti-Moslem
The Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono has accused the western media of bias against Islam, saying it appeared to value Muslim lives less than those of non-Muslims. Indonesia has the world's largest Muslim population, with approximately 88 percent following Islam.
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Albert
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He needs to say it, but does not really mean it. Just to keep others in his country happy.


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That's what is in my mind as well.. with Bashir breathing in his neck he can better say something that many people already have a feeling about. No harm done then.



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i think its about this topic, where in fact he is right
www.globalvoicesonline.org/200(...)-muslims/#more-14711



sidia
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thank you mein freund.


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Ik ben het met Albert eens. SBY is te intelligent om dit echt te menen.



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Western media like BBC is the worst "dhimmi" for moslems. They censored the word "moslems" in many cases of turbulences done by them.


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In a certain way SBY is right. The western press always pictures lives from people of a 3 world country in a less important way then those from a western country.
But....... this has nothing to do with islam. It's common with news about people from 3 world countries; NOT especially moslim countries. That quite a lot of moslim countries are also 3-world countries is an other thing.
But as in common the moslim feels discrimated with their inferiority complex. They always think that the west is against them to cover up their own failures with this outdated religion.



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I don't think it's the western media is the only media that brings 'colored' news.



Albert
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He Yerun,

You try to break the record with the most placed replies?


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In fact, why he complained. Indonesian media is anti jews. And also Indonesian policy. Indonesians always take sides - moslem side.


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sidia
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Who cares .
You ?
Oh sorry you are anti Islam. Emoticon: Smile Emoticon: Smile


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Of course I do care. If you want to be treated fair, treat other people fairly. If you want people to describe you justly, Do the same to them. If you want people to be honest to you, do the same. If you don't want to be persecuted or abused, don't persecute or abuse others.
This is the simple golden rule of humanity.
And you are right. I am anti-Islam, but not anti-moslems. I always believe that moslems are victims of Islam.


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On 11-10-2006 06:06 searching wrote:
This is the simple golden rule of humanity.
And you are right. I am anti-Islam, but not anti-moslems. I always believe that moslems are victims of Islam.


Searcher,.
Agree , about the golden rule of humanity.
But you forget 1 thing moslems are individuals , and and they believe in Islam.
Yes there are some moslim who did something bad , terrorism etc.

Now you are honest , you are anti Islam as a religion.
(you own words ANTI ISLAM).
Can I have a honest answer from you ?
In the beginning you say that you are searching for truth , your nickname is seraching , and i called you searcher.
We have discussed several times , and I have also follow your discussion with Abah ----- (forgot his name).
He also try to discus with you about Islam.
But you are maybe not looking for truth , because now you confessed that you are ANTI ISLAM.Or if you have find your truth , what is then your purpose in this site ? Nagging about Islam ?
I dont think that this site is not the proper site for you.

Searcher ,

akkoord wat betreft the gouden regels van humanisme.
Je vergeet 1 ding dat moslems individuen zijn , en ze geloven in Islam.
Er zijn ook moslims die slechte dingen doen zoals terorisme etc.

Nu ben je eerlijk , je bent anti Islam. Als religie.
(Jou eigen woorden ANTI ISLAM)
Kan ik een eerlijke antwoord van je krijgen.?
In het begin beweerd je dat je de waarheid aan het zoeken ben , jou alias naam is Searching , ik noem je vanaf begin searcher.
We hebben diverse keren gediscussieerd.
Heb je discussies met Abah-- --gevolgd.
Hij probeert ook met jou te discussieren.
Waarschijnlijk zoekt je geen waarheid (dubbele agenda ?) , want je hebt nu eindelijk toegegeven dat je ANTI Islam bent.
En mocht je de waarheid (jou waarheid) gevonden hebt wat is dan jou doel/ aanwezigheid in dit site.?
Alleen maar zeuren en beledigingen tegen Islam ?
Ik denk niet dat dit site de juiste plaats is om het te doen.


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Searcher,.
Agree , about the golden rule of humanity.
But you forget 1 thing moslems are individuals , and and they believe in Islam.
Yes there are some moslim who did something bad , terrorism etc.


Have you ever heard the last result of Pentagon investigation? They are influenced by Quran to do terrorism.
And no, moslems ARE never individual. They are bound to be "ummah". That's why someone from Indonesia can come to other countries to kill in the name of Islam - as mujaheed. Or some people from Malay can come to organize the bombs in Indonesia.


Now you are honest , you are anti Islam as a religion.
(you own words ANTI ISLAM).


Wrong. I am anti islam as an ideology. I hope you know the difference. Islam is NOT only a religion. It is also a deen, aren't I correct? And you may learn from my discussions that the deen doesn't seem like the true deen. If only moslems see Quran as not a direct word from God thus we can omit some dangerous words, it will be better. But it's not possible, isn't it?


Can I have a honest answer from you ?
In the beginning you say that you are searching for truth , your nickname is seraching , and i called you searcher.


I remember you called me so.


We have discussed several times , and I have also follow your discussion with Abah ----- (forgot his name).


Abah fairus. he didn't continue the discussion after he was unable to refute my statements. As simple as that.


He also try to discus with you about Islam.


Yes, but his explanation is sugar coated and I have shown him and also you that his explanation was contradictory and I only can think of two explanation of his statements:
1) He doesn't really know about Islam
2) He wants to mislead the people here to believe that Islam is peace and Sharia law is the same as modern law.


But you are maybe not looking for truth , because now you confessed that you are ANTI ISLAM.Or if you have find your truth , what is then your purpose in this site ? Nagging about Islam ?


Hm, sometimes truth hurts. I used to believe the propaganda from Pancasila. I used to believe that Islam means peace. But I found in the way of my searching that it's not true.
I come here to make everyone here, including you, realize that Islam has some dangerous substance that all of you and the western media refuse to see.
By doing so, I know I have a risk of being killed. A life of a kuffr is nothing in front of the true believer of Islam.
I am glad that in fact you are NOT a true believer. You still understand the rule of humanity.
I don't ask you to believe me. I only ask you, after you know the principle of humanity, please read again Quran and hadiths and ask for yourself, can a merciful God give those messages?
Only you can answer for yourself. Not me, not other people.

I dont think that this site is not the proper site for you.


This is the proper site for me, because:
1) I am an Indonesian
2) The rising of Islamization and terrorism is apparent in Indonesia.

I never try to mislead you or anyone else here. That's why, I don't mind discussion. You may try to prove to the people here that I am wrong.





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On 12-10-2006 07:36 searching wrote:


This is the proper site for me, because:
1) I am an Indonesian
2) The rising of Islamization and terrorism is apparent in Indonesia.

I never try to mislead you or anyone else here. Thats why, I dont mind discussion. You may try to prove to the people here that I am wrong.



No , you are not misleading , me.
I have some feeling and question about your nagging.
In the beginning you are neutral , later on youare nagging and insulting Islam , en moslims .
And you are always reading the Qura' an literally .
Almost no one in 2006 read Qura' an or the Bible literally.
Some of the fundamentalist at both side (Islam and Chrisians) did it , and pushing another people .

I am also Indonesian , and a moslim (KTP) , " very moderate " . Emoticon: Smile Emoticon: Smile
That's why I try to discuss with you. in the beginning.

Indahnesia is a site for Indonesian friends , tourist information etc , but I think not for people who nagging or atacking others people religion.




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No , you are not misleading , me.


I am glad of that.

I have some feeling and question about your nagging.
In the beginning you are neutral , later on youare nagging and insulting Islam , en moslims .


I have told you that I hope to inform to anybody the danger inherent in Islam. I don't hate moslims. You may see my previous post. There I stated that I hate Islam but I don't hate moslims for they are victims of Islam. How can I hate them?

And you are always reading the Qura' an literally .


Every moslims I know believe Quran to be the exact words of Allah. Thus it is the highest authority for moslims. Are you different?

Almost no one in 2006 read Qura' an or the Bible literally.


Sadly, that isn't true. Amrozi and others read Quran literally. And many others.

Some of the fundamentalist at both side (Islam and Chrisians) did it , and pushing another people .


After the Crusades, no Christian killed for their God. And I have read Bible and I don't think any of Jesus' teaching condone the killing.
But we see moslims kill in the name of God. I read the articles (even watch the interviews of people like Amrozi) and check it with Quran. It is in accordance to that. You may try that yourself. I don't force you to believe me.

I am also Indonesian , and a moslim (KTP) , " very moderate " .
That's why I try to discuss with you. in the beginning.


I appreciate that.

Indahnesia is a site for Indonesian friends , tourist information etc , but I think not for people who nagging or atacking others people religion.


Nagging or saying the truth is different. I am not a troll or a bot who come and say irrelevant words. You may see my posts and all are relevant to the topic.
And this site also includes news and general topic. So you are wrong.
I never called names or do ad hominem. I have even given a chance for you and all to prove that I am wrong. But I don't see that. That's obvious, because I take it from Quran and Hadiths, not by emotion only.
And within friends you can talk a lot of things including religion. Or you never do so?


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Dear Om Sid,
I also have no hatred towards Muslims people, in fact I don’t allow hatred to enter my hearth and in a way I agree with searching that Muslim people are victims of Islam.
If only the world’s Muslim population existed of moderate law-abiding ktp Moslems like us two, it were not so bad. There is always the danger of religion leading to fanatism. Former it was the Christians. Now, in this modern day and age Muslims have this mass hysterias tendency for exclusivity.
What scares me among others is that psychopaths and potential murderers, people with a sick mind, which want to and do not fear to kill, join Islam and find a low threshold to commit these atrocities because they can easily find justification for these evil acts in interpretations of their “holy book” through reading and listening.
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If only the world's Muslim population existed of moderate law-abiding ktp Moslems like us two, it were not so bad. There is always the danger of religion leading to fanatism. Former it was the Christians. Now, in this modern day and age Muslims have this mass hysterias tendency for exclusivity.


Jantje, never thoght you were a moslem.

What scares me among others is that psychopaths and potential murderers, people with a sick mind, which want to and do not fear to kill, join Islam and find a low threshold to commit these atrocities because they can easily find justification for these evil acts in interpretations of their “holy book” through reading and listening.


You are right, especially if you see the flow of verses in Quran

Meccan ----> Medinah

Peaceful War verse

And adding the principle of abrogation, then it's dangerous.


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Jantje, never thoght you were a moslem.

Dear searching,
I am a 60 years old law-abiding uncircumsiced, smoking, beer drinking, babi eating, live enjoying ktp moslim. I am also a baptised Christian. I never killed anyone, never hated anyone and never had the intension to do so. What's wrong with me? Must I go to neraka? I'll emigrate to Greenland first. after that neraka is enak. Oh ya, there is something that I hate: Agama mania. Emoticon: Wink





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On 13-10-2006 18:39 Jantje wrote:

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I am a 60 years old law-abiding uncircumsiced, smoking, beer drinking, babi eating, live enjoying ktp moslim. Whats wrong with me?

I think nothing...Jantje... Emoticon: Party!


Live life to the max.......

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Nothing Jantje, but some people find it hard to accept that people interpret their own way of (islamic) life.



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There is indeed a tendency that western media is trying to form the world opinion that Islam is identical with terrorism, radicalism, fundamentalism and new extremes. While in fact, all of the mentioned above is behauptung ohne bewels. Emoticon:


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On 15-10-2006 15:55 kinanti pinta wrote:
There is indeed a tendency that western media is trying to form the world opinion that Islam is identical with terrorism, radicalism, fundamentalism and new extremes. While in fact, all of the mentioned above is behauptung ohne bewels. Emoticon:

The strange thing of this all is that the Moslims all over the world do not try to change that opinion. They rather complain and feel pitty with themselve. And do their best to proof that the western media is correct.

Look how they react with the speach of the pope. While it comes from a book written in the 7th century. And now suddenly a Jihad against the pope. If you ask me most moslims do not even know the real meaning of Jihad. it has nothing to do with war.

Moslims cannot sepperate Religion and politicts or daily live. In everything they always need to come up with the Quoran or Allah.
Also when you ask somebody if he is able to meet you? Answer If Allah give me permission. Then what you just sit on your lazy behind and wait until you receive an answer from allah.
Don't the know that Allah got better things to do. He needs to rule an entire universe. you really think he has time to spend a second to our stupid live on this planet?
Tsunamy is punishment from God. What a stupid thought. Again always Allah. No wonder the media publish negative about them.

What will the west do, when the Jakarta post or other daily news paper from a Moslim country, will place a funny cartoon of Jesus. We will start WWIII or our own Jihad?
Come on get serious, we got better things to do then to fight about a silly cartoon.
If you say Jesus is a homo. Fine by me. I will not be offended. I know he is not further more that person did not understand a single thing about who is Jesus really. But what do you expect from people who only hang around everywhere and never get a book and read it.


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Thanks Albert, Keep on posting!

Yours sensierelie, Jantje Emoticon: Wink




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