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kleinsmann
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I'm sorry I know it's boring but I have a question.
I let a agency in Jakarta arrange my social visa. They processed in Immigrassi in Jakarta and I received a copy of a fax that my visa is confirmed.Stamps from immigrassi/justice department,sign of general director is on it and so on and so on.
That fax/telex is sent to Den Hague so I thought it was arranged.
I wasn't sure if I had to go to Embassy in Den Hague myself or that someone else could do for me. After 3 days I got connected! I asked my question and the man said: "Mister you have to process again here and it cost 70 euro.Pls hang up now, more people calling" and gone was connection....
Then I called again and after a while I got someone else. He said also that I had to do it again and that I had to process for another 11 working days. He was more friendly but bottomline was the same.
I really thought I only had to print it there (go to embassy and wiat for the printing)since the aplication of a visa is done in Jakarta not in Holland!

Can someone pls help me, my flight is 2nd of june
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diederick
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Flight on the 2nd of June? Then you still have 10 working days, maybe eleven (depends on when you leave). That is tricky. Do you have a ticket where it is possible to reschedule your departure? Try that first, it reduces stresslevels.
I advise you to go personally to the embassy and not to rely on fax/telexes or agencies from Indonesia. Sometimes a little pressure or a little begging helps. My wife (from a country which Indonesia sees as their greatest enemy), received her visa only a few hours before departure!
I myself had to wait 6 months for a visa (refused twice), and still when it was dealt by the highest government levels and all the paperwork was ok, it was delayed several times. That is why I always make sure that my planetickets are flexibel.
I wish you all the best!



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The story of today:
I went to embassy. They said it's nice you bring your confirmation of your visa but you still have to do procedure as normal.
I thought ok, nevermind. Then they I needed 20 euro extra for fast processing (I wanna play on secure). I thought ok ok would make 40+20=60 euro and it should be ready 27th of may.So far so good.
Then when I gave all my papers they searched the original telex of the confirmation of my visa and they explained that I had to pay 35 euro for it. I still dunno what it was for.Pay for receive a fax???
Totally now the visa costed me 175 euro (80 to agency jakarta,and 95 to embassy in Den hague) instead of 40.
I should never had done my visa request by an Indonesian visa agency but yeah I can't change for more.
I really hope I have my visa next week!whahahahaha I learned from this so much!Maybe I was bit stupid but I'm not so familiar with it......

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Desi Clark
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my sympathy!


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Jeroen
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Moved the topic to the Visum subforum



aliakbar
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my sympathy!


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kleinsmann
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You know I really love Indonesia and I love the people but at the embassy my experience was so bad. Even for me as a pacifist it was hard to control myself not hit the man. He was such a bastard! That's gonna be a hard problem for me when I live there hehe




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aliakbar
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Well many more surprises are there in life yet....and so much to learn...

If you would have hit him,,,Its for sure you wouldnt have entered Indonesia Forever,,,,...And if you hit here when you live...You will be send home soon So you can Miss indonesia forever...

Welcome to Indonesia I would say..

Rgds
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You should have told him on his face that he is a bastard...rather than stabbing and talking on his back like this..

That would make him feel what others think of him


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Hmmm I said it was hard.Of course I would never do something like that.
Normally I just say what I think but I felt more angry since I need that bastard. I can tell him he's a bastard but also then he can delay or denie my visa request.I'm already scared I was bit too annoyed. He knew I didn't like him. Anyway thx for the sympathy.... Emoticon: Very funny


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Martijn, so sorry to hear the incident. But you know what, l'll pass this story to my grandfather.. he was the previous Indonesian ambassador for The Netherland. Now he is serving in Japan. l'll tell him and who knows, maybe he can have a word with his former staffs there a.k.a the bastards. Emoticon: Smile


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That would be nice!Hope others will have better luck then in the future.
I'm still bit worried my visa will be rejected somehow.I can't sleep good of it since time is so close from my departure.Ok it's 4.20 in the morning, I'd better try sleep now whahaha Anyone experiences with visa rejections? (In Holland)
Anyway : terima kasih miss Pinta!
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Not only he will expedite my visa, he even gave me his cellphone for future reference.....how sweeeeeeet!!!

You just have to know how to treat people.. in return you will get what you deserve..

Dealing with Indo Officers especially with the Embassy or Consulate officers..hmmm...the key : you have to be friendly and respectful...they have the power to deny or delay your application. And there is nothing you can do about it...( hate to say that..)

Anyway, wish you luck Martjin!!

Desi Clark





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On 23-05-2004 04:19 kleinsmann wrote:
Anyone experiences with visa rejections? (In Holland)

I already wrote that I had several experiences with visa refusals (although on a government mission) by the Indonesian embassy, and still while in Indonesia I have difficulty obtaining a short stay permit, through the silent force of the Indonesian burocracy. To top that my wife was twice refused at Sukarno-Hatta airport imigrasi (although she had valid visa, at the end imigrasi decides if you can come in, even if you have a visa from an Indonesian embassy).
In some ways I don't feel very welcome -and i guess a lot of other people get the same feeling due to the new visa-regulations. And in my case it hurts -financially- a number of Indonesian people. On the other hand I obtained subsequently the attitude of "just lay back, and see what happens".



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I'm not scared to be rejected at the airport. The bestards in the Indonesian Embassy are making problems...
My wife has very good channels in Immigrassi so I don't have any worries to be rejected there. I have also a letter from immigrassi director that I'm allowed to enter Indonesia.

"Not only he will expedite my visa, he even gave me his cellphone for future reference.....how sweeeeeeet!!!

You just have to know how to treat people.. in return you will get what you deserve"

Was that for me Desi? If so, who is he?The man from embassy in US?
Euhm and you know from experience that I know how to treat people, isn't it?
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TYN




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Diederick,

I mentioned my frustration to this officer as well, and they are aware of this issue.

The bottomline, you have to have all the documents needed. Unfortunately, the information on visa requirements is not very good (unclear).. and can mislead.

Wondering, how did they refuse your wife's visa at the airport and why did you have a problem if you were on government mission?

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Dear Desi,

I am been seen as a "security risk" throught my profession. Maybe you understand that I cannot go further then that. It has, in my view, more to do with a typical Indonesian burocratic problem. Once a question -albeit totally unfounded- is raised it is difficult to put this little devil back in his box again.
In the period my wife was refused to enter, Indonesia had many difficulties with her country of origin due to the East-Timor question. I will state a immigrasi functionary telling her "go home to your own country" after that he turned his back on her.



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Hmm.. interfering with state affairs is NOT appreciated in Indonesia.. hehe.. but the fact that your wife was 'suspect' all of a sudden.. It's possible, but I'm always telling myself that I'm not 'in danger' if I don't look for it.

I might be wrong of course, and I hope I am for this. Emoticon: Puh!



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Dear Jeroen,

If you have an innocent mind, you will have nothing to fear. .. I hope. Although I have also, i didn't meddle in any state affairs, quite to the contrary........they don't interest me a bit. Let them stick their Ambon, Papua, Atjeh, Timor etc in their ....[censor, there is one in Indonesia you know, he even scrutinizes the Teletubbies]



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Diederick I'm not a danger for Indonesia I think hehe
Anyway I don't have any political activity here in Holland except from a membership (only thing I do is tranfer 50 euro a month to support them) from the SP (Socialistic Party) in Holland. And above all it should be so strange when I'm not allowed to enter since I was there before and also married there with an Indonesian woman.
But anyway I'm still a bit nervous for the chat I might have with immigrassi at the airport. I'm not good in it as you could see at the embassy too.I'm allergic for uniforms and that's no joke. But I'll stay calm and brave because I have my wife there and I can't have it that I'll be rejected....Our future would be ruined (for a while)....But again I'm sure when problems come I have the right channels for solve the problem but it will take time and stress hehehe

Thx for you comment




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Dear Kleinsmann,

Do as me and always smile and look very innocent when having this awkward moment at the immigrasi. It really helps! And you have to consider that you have a valid visa. So nothing to worry about. It seems also to help sometimes when you mention that you have an Indonesian wife, who is waiting so long for you. This uniformed guys (sometimes women) seem to melt theN. If you don't like uniforms (like I do) then Indonesia is definitively not the place to be. They adore uniforms here. Where I work they even staged a strike to obtain new uniforms, and now they are goin to wear batik every friday (i mean everybody). They are very in to this kind of things (look at the security guards, which are sometimes looking like MP -miltitary police- even with a bajonet on their hips)
Last advice: don't mention that you are a socialist!



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I don't care to see it but to deal with it is the problem. I dunno good how to explain. Anyway I'll survive between all uniforms hehe
I really hope the "uniform" at the airport is a woman,then I'm in soon hehe My charming look and talking always works hehehe
Ow I didn't know about the socialist thing thx for the advise, won't wear my SP t-shirt with tomatoes on it then..

Thx for guiding me!

Btw, It's bit unclear now for me if you like or not, can interpretate your words both sides.



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I GOT IT I GOT IT I GOT IT!!!!
You know I'm so happy! The people there a.k.a the basterds let my sis waiting for almost 3 hours but it's arranged. So good!
You know I was so scared they would reject it cuz I was too unpolite before but they didn't!!
3rd of june I'm in Jakarta!!! TYN goes Indahnesia!

Thx everybody for all support. It cost me lots of stress,money but I made it!


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diederick
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Congratulations with your visa. Wish you a good journey to Indonesia!
Btw. I don't like uniforms that much (although my father was an officer, but he didn't like them also)



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Have a nice journey....my friend...and to prepare the worst of the worst...try to have a US 20 dollar note ready if things get worse with an officer there..............as a souveniur from you from holland....

But hope All is fine for you..Bon Voyage....Channels dont work ...but silence and patience works tht time....

Rgds
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