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diederick
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That is a tricky question. Indeed he condemns it, like he condems a lot of other things (poverty, feminism, war, you name it). My point is; homosexuality exists, and it would be very easy for God if it is something he doesn't like to wipe it from the earth. But he doesn't (like poverty, cruelty, abuse, and so on, you can see it by yourself). So why is the Pope condemning things which are evidently God's will?
The Vatican, by the way, is very reluctant to deal in a disciplinary way with all these priests who are accused of abusing young boys (see all the affairs in the USA for instance). They prefer to pay off the accusers. It seems that homosexuality is alive and kicking even in the Catholic church! And no wonder, but that is a personal remark.
Historical note; there were a number of homosexual popes and bishops, and as you problably know also a number of popes who had concubines and a string of children (which was and is also forbidden)



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Because some rules in Catholic church now are not originally from God or bible. The way Catholic teaches is different with the way Jesus Christ did. I think the rules in Catholic church now are dominated by the earth rules, which is depending on the current situation. Yet, if I might say, the rules in Catholic church might be the closest to the original one taught by Jesus (and/or Peter?). And, I think Jesus never intended his "teaching" only to Catholic, but for everyone no matter their religions were, as long as they believed in Him and His Father.

Well, better to be back to the gay issue......



budowono1
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good interpetation perhaps that is so .
i gues it is not up to us to know what is and is not gods will that is only for him to know



juffy
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My suggestion : The pope shall meet his boss to synchronize his views !
By the way, he shall also ask, why Catholics are the only Christians, religiously bound to die on AIDS




melati
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Emoticon: Angry Emoticon: Stupid To be a Gay is fine,what wrong with that !!!



melati
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It's nothings wrong to be a gay...
thank you very much... underlined text link here



xtrapol
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I'm gay and I'm not religious. I think about god once every year at most. What's religion got to do with being gay? I was born gay and if you don't like it, call me and we'll discuss it over a beer at Bugil's.



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hi mate,
i don't have any problems of your being gay but i'd like the idea of chatting over some beers at Bugil's Emoticon: Puh!


Slightly older, hopefully wiser, absolutely prettier

Sepp Buys
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haha,

A lot of people here talk about religion, as if gay is a religion. I never knew it would be something of any religious idea's but oke. That will make me a priest I guess.

Sepp




xtrapol
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Ok... I think the Gay life in Indonesia topic is closed. So here's a new one:

For all you religious guys who think gayness is against god's wishes. Look at it this way: This is one way god could have made us..

once upon a time...

So Adam was banging Eve every now and then, right?. A few thousand centuries later, Adam and Eve are getting a little older. Eve's hitting menopause and Adam finished his final batch of organic viagra and is having trouble... doing what Adam's supposed to do Emoticon: Puh! . So Eve got pissed off one night cuz Adam couldn't get it up. She'd had enough. She was sick of Adam making her feel her age. So she got a boob job and an awesome facial and took off with Adam's younger brother, Paul, and looking like a hot babe, Eve and Paul, hit the highway to hell in Paul's cool as Honda VRX Roadster (God's gift to humankind).

So Adam, left alone with nothing to do, no one to talk to, went for a walk. He didn't know where he was going but just kept walking. A couple of centuries later, Adam met this dude called Jesus. Jesus was tanning in the hot sun listening to Bob Marley and drinking Holy Water. Well, Jesus is a really nice guy. And he didn't like Adam looking so depressed and bored. So Jesus found this other guy, Andre, in his village who's chick left him for a younger hunk, just like Adam. Adam and Andre couldn't believe that there was someone else who had the same experience! They became close friends. Adam and Andre both agreed they were missing hot babes. Adam decided to go for another walk and asked Andre to come along. Well, 100 years had passed and they didn't find any more chicks when they were walking.

"If only Eve hadn't taken my cool as Honda VRX Roadster, then Andre and I could have travelled longer to find some action!", thought Adam.

So they continued walking, but both of them got bored and sat down. And while they were sitting on a cool grass chilling out, they realised at exactly the same time "Hey, who needs chicks??"

I'll leave the ending up to ur imagination....

Just to be politically correct, if you want to make the story more compatible with lesbians then just change all the names.

Cheers



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On 06-05-2004 22:34 kleinsmann wrote:
Desi as a so called mixed-couple president I think you should know better. What if some 2 gays with mixed cultures want to join?
Thought that your organisation was more open-minded...

Regs,

TYN


Well .. my gaydar tells me it's a shocker! Emoticon: Frustrated


apa saja...

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On 06-05-2004 22:34 kleinsmann wrote:
Desi as a so called mixed-couple president I think you should know better. What if some 2 gays with mixed cultures want to join?
Thought that your organisation was more open-minded...

Regs,

TYN


My gay dar tells me it's a schocker!


apa saja...

Sepp Buys
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So getting back to the topic again.

Quite an interesting story xtrapol. Laughable, but a lot of the people in previous reactions will condemn you to more evil to be found in their black on white hell. Combined with all religions you made it clear who needs chicks. They only lay eggs which you can fry.

As concerned the mixing of cultures can bring positive and negative reactions. Most reactions I get is that the women just want one thing, get laid and get of with me to Holland. Simple thoughts and simple plans. I myself consider myself of a more intellectual breed and therefore not my plan. As for the men, they just want to 'main'. All the time I am in the gym, here in Indonesia, they just want to touch me , not just want but do. Sexual intimidation on the workfloor in the west, I can understand now. It kinda makes you aware of what you are, therefore I just let them have a look and let them do what ever they do, it must be the culture, I do not know and I do not care. As long as the man is handsome, hahahaha.

But to come back to the Indonesian word main. The men ask if i want to main. In my little knowlegde of Bahasa I guess it just means 'come along' and go to their house to meet friends, play volley or being with them together with their friends and play pool or biljart. Which is cool. But I can also interpretate the word as 'play'. In that case the word of course becomes more like playing with other balls. And therefore more into the intimate scene. A double play just like pool but than between the sheets. Which we do not use here because it is too hot any way. I therefore have a question to you all, please give me advise on the indonesion question and behaviour of indonesian men if they say 'mau main'.

Please advise,


Sepp



xtrapol
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Hehe... nice one... You hit the nail on the head there.

I guess if a guys feeling you up in the gym, then you're not being asked for a game of tennis. Staring at you is sometimes a little different in Indonesia. They're might just be curious because you're a foreigner. Feeling you up means they most likely want a little more. You live in East Java, right? So maybe some locals may not have had much face-to-face contact with a western male - so they might just be naturally curious, whether or not that's sexual depends on who, how, and where they're staring at you. Saying that, if you go to the gym a lot you're probably pretty hot, and that means you'll be hit on by chicks and gay guys no matter what.

Here's some translations that could come in handy:

If someone asks you if you want to "bermain-main".... hey - that's straight out slang for a romp. Enjoy it, Sepp.

"permainan cinta" (to make love), "kejar kejar" (a quickie), "kawan sepermainan" (play mate) , "mainan" (plaything) ... that's probably bedroom language there too, bud.

If someone wants to go out with you - no sex: They might use "menggantungkan" (to hang out) - I'm sure there are a billion ways to say that but I think that's a common one.

And I completely agree with you, when you're performing in the bedroom, sheets aren't needed. Emoticon: Shiny



xtrapol
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Btw... came accross ur pic on gaydar. I can see why everyone wants to "main"



Sepp Buys
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Xtrapol,

To me it is as clear as a sugar cube, hahahaha. I keep in the free dutch translations. But you see, as being one of the few foreigners here in town, I can not permit myself to fool around. Too many men say what they want too directly, it makes no sense they want to play around! It is too bold, you see.
The girls are more subtile in this, they stand for 10 minutes starring at you and say just hello, probably the only word they no, than ask your number or via me or via the admministration and start smsing.
Which for me is an other privacy tresspassing.

Well it is always easier said than done, the next time I just invite the whole bunch to main together and organise a trip to the beach nearby, look who's joining and see what happens in between the waves.

And Xtrapol thanks for the explaination and compliments!

Sepp



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Haha, I understand your dilemma. And the 'tresspassing' is just as irritating. Nothing pissed me off more than the anonymous sms's that flooded my mobile - especially when you neither know nor care who the stalker on the other end is. It's especially distressing to know that your phone number is being passed around like some sort of prostitute - without your knowledge - particularly by people and administrations that you should be able to confide in to keep that kind of information confidential.

As for the constant barrage of men who ask you to 'main': I agree with you in that it may seem "too good to be true". Many of them must be just curious about you. However, Indonesian gay men seem often to be very bold and frequently do not hesitate to approach. And the fact that you're an "exotic creature" in their eyes - will only add to that assertiveness. Although sometimes a little annoying, I admire that quality much more than the endless staring and furious, hyperactive smsing so common amongst the female species. Maybe I'm a little biased Emoticon: Smile

So I suppose the only solution is to keep booking your tickets to Bali, Sepp and enjoy the in between the waves action.

Take care, cheers,

Tony Emoticon: Bye bye



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Xtrapol,

Fortunatelly I do not have any problems at all with all the attention. It is some kind of flattering. But that is easy here, as you said, an exotic creature, gets more attention than the domestic ones. But still flattering. Any exotic creature is a wannahave here, where as back in Holland it is common and people do not even turn their heads to have a second look, or touch, hahaha.

Now here comes another I guess Javanese / Madurese word I try to figure out. Some men on the street, even there should what sounds like, and therefore this words is phonetic:" hotdong". I asked here and there very subtile the meaning, it varies from, plain sex, to kuddling. My answer to one these persons once was, Yes tonight at the station kereta api after dark, but his response was bold again and started to talk madurese for sure. We laugh a lot at the gym, or they do , I just work out as much as possible.

Here in Jember, East Java, I once tried to organize a Club, for foreigners to have a drink a talk etc. Together with my Indonesian language teacher we tried to organize as much people as we could. I was in charge for the 'white' people, because that is easier than a local to walk directly to a foreigner and ask them to join. She was responsible for the local people and of course vice versa. The first time ended up with only local people all female and single and of an age that they should already be carefull for their offspring. The second time, more local girls and younger. It was good to see that the Indonesian people do want to get in touch with "western" cultures, but they got the idea of disputing, totally wrong. It was more of an auction and the highest bid would get me. An other kind of attention I was not really interested in, but oke, having a big heart, they can talk to me dirty if they want, hahahaha. Well then. Time to get back to work.

And who knows what happens this afternoon when i am going to the gym. If they want to play, I will first ask, whether it is a nice play of chess, interested, wrestling, interested or badminthon, not interested, playing around, getting more difficult.

Sepp



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This is very interesting.

Among other topics...the gay topic got the most views... 3288..unbelievable!

Why is that? hmmmm..i wonder....

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Desi,

Silence is for ever Golden, people even think they are being watched while on the net. Everybody seems to be interested but never speeks out. Pity. If people want it to be in the open and normal, they should act like it and be open and normal about it even if they are against it.


Sepp




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Gay people are the same as you and me and like all of us children of God and God loves us all the same.

Science has already prooven how people become gay, and I know some people who have difficulties being gay. So if it is by choice they should already be straight?

In the past I worked together with one gay person, I am still not Gay. He never tried anything, never spoke dirty only behaved more female as most straight male persons.

But they also say;
A gay guy can be a womans best friend.

But if a woman dislike gay people she will miss a hell of a friend. Because who can understand woman more;
A streight guy
Or a gay guy who is more woman then a straight guy?

Now Bush is realected (God help us!) discrimination of gay people in the Usa will not change.


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I really would not know if God loves all the people. I recently did not read any interview with him (or her) in which he/she said so. There are millions and millions of religious people who strongly belief that God only loves certain kind of people and condemns other (in Amsterdam there was a recent example of that kind of thougth).
I am interested in the scientific work that proved how people become gay. How does ik come about, according to science?



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Let the whole issue concerning gay be left out with God. This has nothing to do with creation on earth and the big fellow!!

And about Theo it is terrible, fortunately a lot of people will be protesting on Tuesday his funeral. But this is off topic



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I did not know there where gays on Bali Emoticon: Wink
I never notice this when I go out in Bali or Jakarta...
Especially I never saw them in JL Dhyana Pura (Bali)

So why this subject...
Saya tidak mengerti....


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On 04-11-2004 20:18 maurits wrote:
I did not know there where gays on Bali Emoticon: Wink
I never notice this when I go out in Bali or Jakarta...
Especially I never saw them in JL Dhyana Pura (Bali)

So why this subject...
Saya tidak mengerti....


Not seeing them does not mean they are not there. Emoticon: Smile
They are every where and are about to take over the world. Emoticon: Yes! Emoticon: Cooool Emoticon: I love it Emoticon: Bye bye


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