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FYI...

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S.O.S. = Save Our Soul, → Mayday – Mayday – Mayday


Dear All Friends,

An Expatriate living in Jakarta wrote this message. FYI.

Mr. X-File.

Fear Factor : Flying in Indonesia → D A N G E R !

Recently on the way back from my holidays in Bali I took a flight from Denpasar to Jakarta with Adam Air . I've heard about these relatively new airlines from several friends who all mentioned that they have a brand new aircrafts and are authorized to fly to Singapore. It sounded extremely good especially considering the one way tickets price of Rp. 295.000,- which was just a bit higher than offer from the cheapest " metro-mini" style none-budget carrier Lion Air. The offer seem to be so good that base on my experience of living in Indonesia for several years, I immediately started thinking that this is just too good and there must be something wrong.

Anyway, I decided to try my luck and fly with Adam Air and apparently many other passengers thought the same, as the flight was totally booked?

Comparable to Garuda flight which had almost no passengers.

When boarding Adam Air, I immediately noticed that the Boeing 737-400 aircraft had engine cover scratched everywhere, wings were all dirty and had broken paint in several places, door also looked very old and far from my expectations of the brand new airplane. Nevertheless, I decided to test the level of my fear of flying and get on the plane. Just for the record I noted the airplane registration code PK-KKI (see Table of Adam Air as follows next page).

When arrived in Jakarta I looked up the airplane code in the database and the "brand new" aircraft that I was flying apparently had its first flight on 10th December 1988, thus being 17 years old age aircraft, which if compared humans, the airplane would be in its late forties. In its long life the mentioned airplane also traveled a lot as it was previously used by Sahara India Airlines, Sierra National Airlines and Air Belgium (first owner), thus having pretty much interesting life as an aircraft.

Now a question arises if I had a bad lack to fly with the only old airplane in Adam Air's fleet or actually the fleet is not as new as I've expected.

Following my curiosity I prepared a Table of Adam Air owned aircrafts providing the age of each aircraft :

Registration Aircraft First flight date Aircraft Age
(Danger !)
PK-KKF 737-200 12-02-1980 26
PK-KKN 737-200 21-03-1980 25
PK-KKQ 737-200 16-01-1981 25
PK-KKJ 737-200 03-02-1982 24
PK-KKL 737-200 12-04-1984 21
PK-KKE 737-300 31-08-1987 18
PK-KKP 737-200 31-05-1988 17
PK-KKH 737-400 11-07-1988 17
PK-KKU 737-300 04-08-1988 17
PK-KKI 737-400 10-12-1988 17
PK-KKD 737-400 22-12-1988 17
PK-KKR 737-300 09-01-1989 17
PK-KKS 737-400 28-01-1989 17
PK-KKT 737-400 05-09-1989 16
PK-KKG 737-400 07-01-1991 15
PK-KKC 737-400 09-01-1992 14
PK-KKA 737-500 10-06-1997 08 [only 1 (one) aircraft rather safe ?]
the other aircraft above "safety" are questioned ?

Looking at that I feel I was actually lucky as the 17 years old aircraft I had a pleasure to fly with is actually very new if compared to another Aircraft used by Adam Air registered as PK-KKN (KKN is actually one of the most popular acronyms in Indonesia originated from
Korupsi-Kolusi-Nepotisme) which at a current date is 25 years old.

Comparable to human age this aircraft would be in its late seventies and probably already having one spot booked at the graveyard .

Base on the table above we can also calculate an average age of the Adam Air's fleet, which is 18 years. Actually, there was only one airplane that was less than 10 years old and if I'm not mistaken that must be the Adam Air aircraft authorized to land in Singapore.

Clearly, many passengers chose Adam Air airlines thinking about the new airplanes, when actually the fleet is full of refurbished aircrafts with only one relatively new aircraft which is used by Adam Air marketing team to create an image or rather mirage (khayalan belaka) , of having fleet of new aircrafts.

Maybe Adam's Air definition of "new" is somehow only for local Indonesian definition, thus I might have wrong perspective. To verify that I compared age of major Indonesian airlines and came up with the following statistics of Indonesian aircraft carriers average age of the fleet :

Garuda Indonesia - Age 10.0 years
Lion Air - Age 17.3 years
Adam Air - Age 18.1 years
Awair - Age 18.8 years
Merpati - Age 21.6 years
Batavia - Age 23.4 years
Sriwijaya Air - Age 23.5 years
Mandala Airlines - Age 23.9 years
Bouraq Indonesia Airlines - Age 25.1 years

Shocking ! With 18 years old fleet of elderly aircrafts Adam Air comes on the third position of the newest aircraft fleet in Indonesia . Garuda Indonesia leads with 10 years old fleet.

Another great surprise is that none-budget carried Lion Air comes second with just a little over 17 years old fleet ? that is almost half older fleet than Garuda Indonesia .

The list is closed by Bouraq Indonesian Airlines which with 25 years old fleet gives me an idea of a Fear Factor stunt-man "Flight with Bouraq" for trial & error-test of flying phobia (penyakitan ketakutan / gamang).


Mandala Airlines comes second from the end.


Having Mandala Airlines so low in the list reminds me about the Mandala's Boeing 737-200 crash on 05 th September 2005 which resulted in total body count almost 150 . At the date of incident the PK-RIM aircraft was almost 24 years in service.
For comparison the Lion Air's McDonnell-Douglas MD-82 airplane that crashed in Solo Airport on 30th November 2004 at the date of incident that resulted in 25 fatalities was 20 years in service. At last report, it had accumulated 56,674 flight hours and 43,940 landings !
I somehow think that it's not just a coincidence that the aircraft that crashed were at least 20 years old .

To compare that to the foreign airlines, I checked the average age of fleet of pervious owners of the Adam Air's PK-KKI aircraft I was flying with.

Blue Panorama Airlines : Age of the fleet - 11.6 years
Sahara India Airlines : Age of the fleet - 10.5 years

Interesting, 11.6 years and 10.5 years which I think proves that both airlines found this plane too old to operate, while Adam Air management thinks operating 17 years old aircraft is perfectly fine ? . → SNOBBISH ! But FOOLISH ?

Browsing through recent newspapers I've found several articles that will be a good conclusion for this post.

The first one comes from The Jakarta Post (dated 11th February 2006) :

An Adam Air Boeing 737-300 plane serving the Jakarta-Makassar route was forced to make an emergency landing Saturday at the small Tambulaka Airport in Sumba, East Nusa Tenggara, a spokesperson for Adam Air said.

The plane took off from Jakarta's Soekarno-Hatta International Airport at 6:20 a.m. with 145 passengers on board. It was scheduled to land at Hasanuddin Airport in Makassar at 9:25 a.m. local time, Suwandi, Adam Air supervisor for Makassar, said. There is a one hour time difference between Jakarta and Makassar.

However, navigational problems caused pilot Tri Tuniogo to lose contact with the destination airport, he said. The plane was later found to have landed at Tambolaka at 9:45 a.m. local time.

"No one was hurt in the incident," Didik, Adam Air's public relations officer for Jakarta, said, adding that the emergency landing was made due to bad weather. "As to whether it was a storm or heavy rain that forced the pilot to land – we remain uninformed," he said.
Ok, so there was a bad weather and airplane had to land. Nothing unusual, right ? Until you read the follow-up published on the Valentine's day.

The Ministry of Transportation considers that Adam Air committed a serious violation when operating a plane still required for "evidence" following a serious incident affecting the navigation system of the plane. "That is a serious violation and the first ever committed by an airline in Indonesia. The Adam Air management needs to be examined in connection with it," the Ministry's Director General of Air Transportation, Iksan Tatang, said replying a reporter's question here on Monday.
Adam Air's Boeing 737-300 aircraft with flight number DHI728 had made an emergency landing at Tambolaka airstrip in West Sumba, East Nusa Tenggara, after wandering for three hours due to a navigation system failure on its way from Jakarta to East Nusa Tenggara with The Director General said the plane should not have been flown pending an examination by the National Committee of Transportation Safety (KNKT) and the Directorate of Airworthiness Certification.

That's interesting. Previously it was a bad weather and now it is a navigation system failure. Huh ?

I think the real story came up only because of the serious violation committed by Adam Air.

FYI two of my friends flight with Lion Air from Manado and airplane had serious malfunction to the extent that stewardess ordered everyone to wear a life vest .

Fortunately flight finished without fatalities and nothing appeared in news → Probably thanks to the KKN acronym I've mentioned before.

You probably wonder how old was that Boeing 737-300 which got navigation system failure acka landed because of bad weather ? Looking at the age of Adam Air's 737-300 fleet, the plane must be at least 17 years in service.

That is probably 3 years too short to have this small incident resulting in fatalities and adding another Indonesian airplane crash to the list.

Looking at the whole picture, I predict there will be at least one Indonesian aircraft crash before the end of this year 2006. Thus, have a nice flight everyone !










Bae sonde bae, tanah timor lebe bae

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Last year i flew with Adam air to Bali from jakarta, I already noticed the non smoking and seat belt sign in Spanish language what already triggered me.

Half way, suddenly the oxygen masks came down without warning and the plane started to shake.
The masks for me and my wife did not come down, i had to hit the cover of the masks like hell to make them drop.....

We turned arround back to Jakarta, the plane shaking all the time.

Never again with Adam air.



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On 19-04-2006 05:58 dutchguy1000 wrote:
Never again with Adam air.


You can see it as free inflight entertainment Emoticon: Wink


"Veel mensen hebben een te hoge dunk van wat ze niet zijn, en een te geringe dunk van wat ze wel zijn".

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On 19-04-2006 05:58 dutchguy1000 wrote:
We turned arround back to Jakarta, the plane shaking all the time.Never again with Adam air.


A plane shakes because of turbulent wheather, which often happens in rainy season above Java , not because there is Adam Air painted on it Emoticon: Laugh out loud



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Dear Londoh,

i have been flying for about 18 years all around the world so i know that.

This only was a different case as it started very sudden and violent just after the masks came down....

At least the masks of the other people..... Emoticon: Frustrated



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Hi Dutchguy,

Actually I am quite jealous of people who have all kind of adventures while flying. I do fly abt. 20 times a year in Indonesia, and use cheap carriers, never something special happens. The only thing I can remember was a breaking window in the cockpit while taking off at Batam airport, an emergency landing followed. That was with Garuda. O yess I remember a strange sound coming from under the floor on a Jatayu flight, like someone had forget to put some oil into something. In a situation like that I think : Insy'Allah. I also feel rather safe in the air, because I don't know nothing about the technical condition of a plane, nor the capabilities of the pilot. But if the pilots are Indonesian they are OK for sure, better than Western robots, who lack creativity. Apalagi I love to fly on older planes, maybe because I am in the barang kuno business. I always feel glad when I can fly Sriwijaya from Solo, their Boeing PK-CJR is from 1976, nice interior. In februari I had the chance to fly two times in an old Merpati Casa 212 in the North Moluccas. I was also happy to fly the antique Twin Otters of Merpati in Papua province a few times. But never something happens, expect delays because of "masalah teknik di luar tangun jawab kami" and turbulence of course, flying from Jakarta to Solo in the end of the afternoon, passing the Gunung Merapi can be quite shaky, I love to see the white faces of my fellow passengers, with their hands spread open, praying to the Almighty. Maybe I was born under a very good sign. I flew a few hundred times but not even lost one piece of lugguage.

I have a question for the aviation specialist on this forum, Mr. Richy. Do you know what type of plane is parked on the right side of this picture? (pinjam dari Skyscrapers City forum). I have seen it a few times (Deraya) and it looks very strange, rather funny to me. I'd love to make a trip on this one. I don't think it is very old, just a crazy design.



Gruces

Lon





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There's also a lot of info about airplanes to find on the website:
http://www.airliners.net/
To Lombok we fly with Wingsair with The De Havilland Canada DHC-8-300 Dash 8.
It was a nice experience.

Tuti & Jan

Hi Jeroen,
Is using a photo like this allowed??
When not please delete this message for me.



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Ik moet eerlijk zeggen dat ik met al mijn vluchten ook niks echt ergs heb meegemaakt.
Mijn allereerste vlucht was eigenlijk de meest angstaanjagende.
ik vloog voor het eerst naar Newyork in een 747 en halverwege de vlucht werd er gewaarschuwd voor wat turbulentie.
Wat er toen gebeurde was echt erg, het voelde alsof het vliegtuig op de grond botste en vele keren een negatieve G, wat betekende dat als ik mijn riem niet aan had gehad ik tegen het plafond gekleefd zou zitten.
Echt alles in de keuken ging tegen de vloer, bagage rekken vielen open, koffers op de grond.
Toen ik naar buiten keek zag ik de motoren onafhankelijk van elkaar op en neer bewegen als golven door de vleugel. snel raampje dicht, niet kijken.
Ik dacht toen "als dit normaal is blijf ik in Amerika wonen"
Achteraf sprak de piloot "Ik ga volgende week met pensioen, maar als ik dit geweten had was ik een week eerder gegaan"
Ze hadden 2 G negatief gemeten en de vleugels worden getest op 2,5 G
Ik vloog business class en alle passagiers mochten 1 voor 1 in de cockpit om gerustgesteld te worden.
Niet leuk dus.
Verder niet echt veel bijzonders ook, een paar doorstarts, wat turbulentie.
Die vlucht met Adam air was eigenlijk de enige keer dat er echt iets gebeurde.

Dat vliegtuig lijkt wel op een rus.
Ik heb een paar keer met een toupolev gevlogen, was wel interresant. business class was een soort eettafel voorin het vliegtuig waar je gezellig met de andere business class vliegers een lekkere vodka dronk.
wel een tijdje geleden was dat.


OOPS, sorry jeroen, zie ineens dat het engels moet zijn, mijn excuses



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Jan,

If you want to do it, then don't link directly from their server. It's a big website, but they probably don't like it.

1. Copy the image to your computer
2. Upload it at www.picsplace.to
3. When uploaded, copy the text from the last (direct link) block into the forum

That's all!

I will change your image into the good code as well.



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Removed to prevent your adress from being spammed. Click this to go to the user profile.dutchguy.. I hope you will translate your post.. You can still edit it Emoticon: Wink



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Jeroen,
Thanks, I have a lot of space on my own site en use in the future only photo's maked by my self, then nobody can make problems about Copyright ©
Jan



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On 19-04-2006 13:21 dutchguy1000 wrote:
OOPS, sorry jeroen, zie ineens dat het engels moet zijn, mijn excuses


Yesss Dutchguy, in this correctional institute the head-warden teaches us English...but is is for Free. Emoticon: Shiny



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A test, it seems to work, but this one is a old Fokker.
Jan



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Ok, translated.

Long live babelfish... ha ha....
(read the original for the unclear passages)


I must honestly say that I have experienced also nothing with already my flights really terrible. My very first flight was in fact most terrifying. I flew for the first time to Newyork in 747 and it was warned halfway the flight for turbulentie. What there then happened were really awful, it felt as if the plane on the ground bluntest and a lot of times a negative g, what meant that if I had not had my oar stuck to I against the ceiling would sit. Really everything in the kitchen went against the floor, luggage stretches fell open, trunks on the ground. When I was surprised to outside I looked down the engines independently of each other and move as waves by the wing fast window close, do not look at. I thought then "if this is normal continue I in America live" afterwards spoke the pilot "I go next week with pension, but if I knew this I had gone a week rather" them 2 g negatively had measured and the wings are tested on 2.5 g I flew business class and all passengers could 1 for 1 in the cockpit to be reassured. Not nice therefore. Furthermore not real much particular also, a couple doorstarts, what turbulentie. That flight with Adam air was in fact the only time which there really something happened. That plane seems on a Russian. I a couple time with toupolev has flown, was, however, interresant. business class was a type eettafel voorin the plane where your sociable with other business class aviators drank nice vodka some time ago were that.



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On 19-04-2006 12:42 londoh wrote:
I have a question for the aviation specialist on this forum, Mr. Richy. Do you know what type of plane is parked on the right side of this picture? (pinjam dari Skyscrapers City forum). I have seen it a few times (Deraya) and it looks very strange, rather funny to me. Id love to make a trip on this one. I dont think it is very old, just a crazy design.


Dear Mr Lon,

The Shorts 360-300 is indeed a nice alrounder which mainly is used in remote areas. With its 6 blade propellors and PT6 engine it a very suitable aircraft for hot and high operations. The first models went into services beginning 1980's. Production ceased in mid 1990's. Although the factory was not bankrupt as Shorts also produced the wings for Fokker. The only Indonesian operator which I can find is Deraya.

B.T.W. the aircraft is also known as the flying "shoebox"... refering to its shape... mostly used for cargo or dump a bunch of paratroopers. It has a high priority on my list to fly with it one time... just like the B727 from Jatayu





"Veel mensen hebben een te hoge dunk van wat ze niet zijn, en een te geringe dunk van wat ze wel zijn".

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I think Adam Air is not the worst in having old planes...as you can see their oldest planes is "just" 25 years old and thats rather young for an Indonesian fleet. And they ordered 30 new Airbus 320's..

Batavia is especially keen in maintaining old graveyard planes.. I read their oldest 727-200 is 34 years old! You can stay in this flying museum for free, just have to pay the airfare Emoticon: Wink Its less costly then taking a Dakota DC-3 vintage flight over Texel..


Gracias. Sama sama

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Mas Richy Yang saya menghormati,

Thanks berat atas informasinya. I spotted this plane on Pattimura Airport Ambon and it was "love at first sight". The plane looks like a composition of all kind of other planes.On my next trip to the Moluccas I will try to fly with one of these. I also have seen the Wings De Havilland a few times, on Ternate and other airports. These planes are used by Wings Air in cooperation with Lion Air, to go to the far-away destionations (Menado - Ternate, Ambon - Fak-Fak- Kaimana). The Jatayu B727 I already tried, that was the noisy one.

Mas Kimi,

I am very sorry to hear that your Adam Air shares are nearly worth nothing at the moment. Insy'allah better times will come. I never understood why you were so pro-Adam, I would be pro-Eva instead. Emoticon: Shiny Adam Air is not better or worser than the other cheap companies, although I never had the opportunity to try them. I hope to use them to fly the Solo - Jakarta route in a few weeks. So some money is coming in. Emoticon: Nice

Regards

Lon

BTW Mandala has been taken over (from the army) for 300 billion Rp by Cardig , 2 days ago.



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FYI this is the original source of this article:

= moderator edit: i can't visit your link with IE, I removed it =



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More danger Emoticon: Shut up! Emoticon: Smile

05 MAY 2006 Batavia Air Boeing 737 skids off runway at Jakarta
Batavia Air flight 834 from Jakarta-Soekarno-Hatta (CGK) to Makassar/Ujung Pandang (UPG) and Merauke (MKQ) suffered hydraulic problems after takeoff. The aircraft, Boeing 737-200 PK-YTQ, landed back at CGK but overran the runway. Three people were injured in the evacuation. (Kompas, The Jakarta Post)


"Veel mensen hebben een te hoge dunk van wat ze niet zijn, en een te geringe dunk van wat ze wel zijn".

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On 06-05-2006 16:18 Richy wrote:
More danger Emoticon: Shut up! Emoticon: Smile

05 MAY 2006 Batavia Air Boeing 737 skids off runway at Jakarta
Batavia Air flight 834 from Jakarta-Soekarno-Hatta (CGK) to Makassar/Ujung Pandang (UPG) and Merauke (MKQ) suffered hydraulic problems after takeoff. The aircraft, Boeing 737-200 PK-YTQ, landed back at CGK but overran the runway. Three people were injured in the evacuation. (Kompas, The Jakarta Post)


That's quite an "outstanding" accomplishment, overrunning the 3.4km long Jakarta runways... Imagine the same plane returning to airports like A. Yani in Semarang or Pontianak (1.8km and no green buffer zone) . It would have been disastrous...

I happened to fly this plane a couple of months ago from Pontianak to Jogja. Fortunately we didnt get this same problem in Pontianak then otherwise I wouldnt be here any more.. Emoticon: Nooo

Overigens raad ik niemand een bepaalde airline aan bij het nemen van een binnenlandse vlucht in Indonesie. Maar probeer als het enigszins kan toch de 727-200 te vermijden als je een -300 of -400 serie kan vliegen bij de concurrent. Modernere 737's zijn namelijk toch 2,5x zo veilig als de oudere -100 en -200 series: http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/rate_mod.htm


Gracias. Sama sama

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The reason why the PK-YTQ was overrunning the runway was : klapband (wat is dat in het engels ? ) Emoticon: Confused BTW it had to return to CGK because of a problem with the hydraulic system.

Avoiding to fly with a 737-200 ? There are 60 of these planes flying in Indonesia,
so maybe better walk ? Please be realistic Mr. Kimi. One can say the same of the busses, trains, taxi's, boats. Your advise should be : avoid Indonesia because of dangerous transport.



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On 07-05-2006 01:11 londoh wrote:
The reason why the PK-YTQ was overrunning the runway was : klapband (wat is dat in het engels ? ) Emoticon: Confused BTW it had to return to CGK because of a problem with the hydraulic system.


It makes me interested where this aircraft overran the runway. Normaly spoken when an aircraft gets a blown tire it will go off the runway at the right or left side (depending on which side the tire is blown) without adaquate respond of the crew. Both runway's on CKG are more then 3600 meter long, even with hydraulic troubles it sounds abnormal the aircraft overran the runway at its end. It probably says more about the training of the crew then about the aircraft itself.


"Veel mensen hebben een te hoge dunk van wat ze niet zijn, en een te geringe dunk van wat ze wel zijn".

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Hi Richy,

There was a pic in Kompas and according to me it was besides the runway on the right side. In a few hours I will be there and have a look, maybe it is still there.

Maybe it also says something about the journalists. Emoticon: Shiny In Kompas there was stated that "Seluru Boeing seri 737-200 diperiksa" I wondered what do Indonesians know about these planes and their specific problems. Isn't it the task of Boeing to investigate this ? They have the knowledge which is not present in Indonesia (acc. to me)



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In this case we speak about an incident (coz nobody died or got severly injured)... the Indonesian Aviation Authorities should take action by investigating this incident. If there is a need to receive advise from the manufacturer they could "knock on the door" of Boeing. They have, of course, all the experience and knowledge they need.

P.S. Have a good flight with Adam's Angels Emoticon: Cooool


"Veel mensen hebben een te hoge dunk van wat ze niet zijn, en een te geringe dunk van wat ze wel zijn".

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Hi Richy,

Meanwhile in Ibu Kota, tried Adam Air, nearly nothing to tell about Emoticon: Shiny . I made some pics. Coming thursday I will be in the Solonaise again....




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