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Indonesia to reduce jail terms of 27 Bali bombing convicts
Indonesia will reduce the jail terms of 27 convicts of the bombing attacks on Bali Island in 2002, government officials said Friday. The government will cut the prison terms on Nov 3, which coincides with the Eid al-Fitr Muslim holiday that falls on Nov 3-4, the officials said.
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Absolutely disgusting. How much did they pay the judges??


Gracias. Sama sama

aponto
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On 29-10-2005 10:58 kiwimave wrote:
Absolutely disgusting. How much did they pay the judges??


Kiwimave yth,

Why reducing sentence ?Think about it really hard.
If you find corruption bad,stay away from Indonesia and
stay in the country where you come from.
There you will meet enough hidden corruption.
Talking about things which are disgusting

We are not stupid as many believe,outside Indonesia .

Aponto
PS I'm not angry or what so ever,I just give my reaction on your mssge.OK ?




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I think there is nothing to do with how much the people behind the screen to pay the judge, Indonesian people are the most tolerantly creature as long as I know, regarding the ramadhan day , I think after that, the convicted should be punished what they deserve.

this moment we are faces a lot of conflicts between people, government politics, the way rules around in every countries, one of them here we are in Holland, so this kind of news is not something news for all of us, happened everywhere in the world, so tried to be calm, be neutralization.

I know is hard for people who suffering with all tragedy, but we as people believe with good things, it would be coming also good things for everyone.







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Kiwimave,
It seems to me that you have a very bad image of Indonesia and Indonesians in general. In the first instance, how do you know that the judges were paid? Do you have evidence on this and if so, it will be good for the Central Government of Indonesia if you can produce the evidence so that immediate action can be taken by their judicial authorities, it not hence its better not to lay false remarks. As for me, the eyes of the world was focused on the judicial authorities in Bali when passing sentence so the believe that the judges were "paid" is not correct....so be it! What disappointed me is that the death sentence should have been passed.



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On 29-10-2005 10:58 kiwimave wrote:
Absolutely disgusting. How much did they pay the judges??


It is disgusting but it has nothing to do with bribing judges. It is just a common habit to reduce jail terms after Idul Fitri. Only it is not fit in respect with the victims of the barbaric terrorist acts.


On 30-10-2005 06:43 nona wrote:
I think there is nothing to do with how much the people behind the screen to pay the judge, Indonesian people are the most tolerantly creature as long as I know,


Tolerant?! Forget it. Indonesians just don't care. Nothing to do with tolerance.



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hoi jogja - Bali, ben jij indonesisch of belanda kaaskop ???????

The indonesian tolerants in this subject, we can see not all indonesian people does not care tolerance, that is not true, I mean we have several groups who does not have tolerance. Not all indonesian people are bad,

of course those people who cost a lot of death we could not respect, but there is a reason for ? why they did it ? something to do with money, the way of thinking ?background ?????

Example a lot of demo in Indonesia againts government, politics enz. but you can see, there are so many group of people with low educated, agresieve, being corporate with this kind of group only to bring to violence.

So, those people who involved with bom attack also people just do it without thinking of consceously, of course they have to be punished what they did, I think it is difficult in this position for the judge, he should be carefull, among other things could be happened with him en his family, the same everywhere in holland example, why a lof of court cases in Holland never resolved????

So, we as normal people, we can not do about it, can we ?????just be pray and hope, everything woud be ended with peace.




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On 30-10-2005 08:06 sglange wrote:
Kiwimave,
It seems to me that you have a very bad image of Indonesia and Indonesians in general. .


Maybe bad experience in his Yogya time. ?
IF so maybe you can tell us about it ?

(gooi het in de groep ) you are welcome to discuss it .



Bisa dicek mas . http://omsid.multiply.com/

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On 30-10-2005 09:29 nona wrote:


hoi jogja - Bali, ben jij indonesisch of belanda kaaskop ???????



It is not important an Indonesian or a Dutch Cheeshead , he have a certain opinion about indonesia and indonesians .
You can agree or not , he have it.


Bisa dicek mas . http://omsid.multiply.com/

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I agree with but dont tell that Indonesian people does not care about tolerance, appearantly who did it bali bombing 1 oktober was malaysian citizen?????



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The top suspects are Malaysians, but the doers are Indonesians, named Amrozi, Imam Samudra, and Ali Imron. And a lot of Santri supported them during the trial by calling "Allahu Akbar".
Disgustingly, people who call themselves "moderate" or "liberal", hide their heads in the sand, except GUS DUR (that's why he has so many enemies). IF they are forced to make comments, all they said that "they hope the victims to be patient". But why not condemning the bombers and terrorists and said that they will not go to heaven??
Because in their holy book, Jihad will bring you to heaven faster than doing good all your life.

May be you want to know what they have inside their holy book? Please visit www.faithfreedom.org
Here is some excerp of one of articles that I hope will enlighten all of you:


The Enemy at the Gates:

On September 11, 2001, Self-described devout Muslims carried out an act of brutal terrorism and murdered some 3000 people in America. They hijacked 4 planes, slit the throats of stewardesses, and destroyed the World Trade Center and part of the Pentagon. America and other nations responded and went after culpable Muslim terrorist groups in Afghanistan. Their various cells, networks, and organizations stretch far and wide, and elsewhere in the world some governments arrested others associated with Islamic terrorist organizations, all claiming to be good devout Muslims.


Following September 11th, most Muslims living in the West defended Islam and stated that Islam is a religion of peace, while many other Muslims living in the Islamic world and even some Muslims in America (living in predominately Muslim communities) as well as Muslim students on American campuses, openly celebrated the deaths and destruction wrought upon us. Many others throughout the Islamic world were observed rejoicing and calling for the continuing destruction of America shouting "Death to America", and "America is the Great Satan". Huge numbers openly or quietly rejoiced, with the absence of sincere and coherent outrage palpable. In the West Muslim spokesmen were much more muted, some proclaimed that the Muslim terrorists have hijacked their faith and that real Islam is a kind, tolerant religion not associated with terrorist individuals or events. A claim oft repeated in defense of Islam was that “Islam’ is a word which literally means ‘Peace’”. In response it was pointed out that the Arabic word for peace is salaam, and that Islam is Arabic for surrender or submission, quite a different concept than peace, and that even Muslim means one who submits. Now the official line from Islam is that “Islam’ means Peace through submission to Allah’s will”, but the opposite camp points out that the newly created definition is illusory in that it does not mention what ‘Allah’s will’ is with respect to Jihad and its role in the advancement of Islam. The two camps often seem to completely contradict each other. Obviously, they both cannot be correct. Those in the West are left to divine, what’s the bottom line according to real Islam? Out of an overabundance of prudence, it would be wise to first fortify ourselves with knowledge. If we fail to thoroughly investigate what Islam is truly all about, there is a danger we might inadvertently invite even more horrific sequels to the disasters that have already been perpetrated upon us.



Indeed it's a religion of peace that if someone disbelieves, its follower can make them REST IN PEACE.


Find out the real face of Islam, read www. faithfreedom.org

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On 03-11-2005 05:10 searching wrote:

Disgustingly, people who call themselves "moderate" or "liberal", hide their heads in the sand, except GUS DUR (thats why he has so many enemies).
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Indeed its a religion of peace that if someone disbelieves, its follower can make them REST IN PEACE.


Disqusting ?? ALL the "moderates " or "Liberal" ??
( oh sorry Except G.D)
Pse : Read the FAQ .



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Disqusting ?? ALL the "moderates " or "Liberal" ??
( oh sorry Except G.D)
Pse : Read the FAQ .


Thanks for the correction. Gus Dur, Ulil and some other humanists. But of course it doesn't include the Muhammadiyah and the FPI and the AGAP. So the number of the humanists in fact are so small.


Find out the real face of Islam, read www. faithfreedom.org

aponto
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searching yth,
are you muslim ?
if so,I don't understand what you mean
if you are just someone who is interested ,I understand your contribution.
are you Indonesian? from here ?
you call yourself searching ya ?you know searching takes more than a lifetime
aponto



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are you muslim ?
if so,I don't understand what you mean
if you are just someone who is interested ,I understand your contribution.
are you Indonesian? from here ?
you call yourself searching ya ?you know searching takes more than a lifetime


Aponto, that's hyperbolic. ]
We only live once. We don't know if there's heaven or hell, we don't know if there's reincarnation.
But we know what is good or not for humanity. And I don't think Islam is good for humanity. By the way, have you heard what happened in France and Egypt (a bit OOT). Does it good in your opinion?


Find out the real face of Islam, read www. faithfreedom.org

aponto
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searching yth,
Terimah kasih di muka berita.
I hope you don't mind but I will not go on discussing this topic.
Your point of view ,concern.Islam ,reincarn.and so on is clear,
It looks like the average opinion of the western world.
Aponto



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Aponto,


searching yth,
Terimah kasih di muka berita.
I hope you don't mind but I will not go on discussing this topic.
Your point of view ,concern.Islam ,reincarn.and so on is clear,
It looks like the average opinion of the western world.
Aponto


tak perlulah sampiyan berterima kasih.
And how do you know about the average opinion of the western world. Do you believe in GOLDEN RULE of HUMANITY?
Do you think the Balinese feel pleased hearing about the remission? Open your heart and think more. Place yourself in the shoes of Balinese People and those victims who lost their families, or become disabled all their lives. After that, if you still can think that it's nice to give remission to those Bali Bombing convicts, well, that's up to you.





Find out the real face of Islam, read www. faithfreedom.org

aponto
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searching yth,
I just don't like your way of discussing.
Who do you think you are?
Start thinking before you shout.
Save your breath ,as I will not answer any of your msgges on this forum.
Aponto
MODERATOR BREAK

If you don't like someones writing, you can just tell him/her that. It's likely that the person doesn't even know. Starting to act the same is of no use of course.

Placed by Jeroen @ 10-11-2005 07:01




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Aponto,


searching yth,
I just don't like your way of discussing.
Who do you think you are?
Start thinking before you shout.
Save your breath ,as I will not answer any of your msgges on this forum.
Aponto


My breath is normal, thank you. And actually I didn't shout at all. I use caps to subtitute bold. I told it in another forum. so let me change the style;

Do you believe in the Golder Rule of Humanity?

Is it better?



Find out the real face of Islam, read www. faithfreedom.org


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