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BlackDre
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Hi, I'm new at this forum and I'm in Jakarta for 3 months now.

Can somebody tell me more about the girls in Tiga Puluh (Le Meridien) please? Last weekend a girl wanted to make out with me but I didnt't mess around with her because I didn't want to be surprised with her giving me a "bill" after it because I was informed that there are many prostitutes in there.

So can anybody tell me what I'm dealing with the next time I go there? Because I don't want to pay for making out with a girl as I am not that desperate.



Thank you very much in advance!!!




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Wake up Dre, in general, most girls hanging around in nightclubs and who are chasing westerners are prostitutes and if they are not asking you for money the first nights they might be even worse and simulate to be in love with you and some poor guys get even married this way. Be wise and just give them some money, a kind of developing money, and then tell them to piss off, it has nothing to do with being desperate or whatsoever, just being smart............

Regards,

R.


'Hij bevalt me niet.' Waarom niet? 'Ik ben niet tegen hem opgewassen.' Heeft een mens ooit zo geantwoord?

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On 24-10-2005 06:41 BlackDre wrote:


Can somebody tell me more about the girls in Tiga Puluh (Le Meridien) please?


It depends what kind girl you are looking for. ?
Looking for decent girl ? , go to decent places .



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If you're looking for a one-night-stand then you're probably in the right place. It's like Sydia says, if you're looking for a decent girl, forget it.
Not all the girls in Tigapuluh are out on your money, but it is difficult to see the difference between them. Sometimes you have some married girls who are looking for some fun and not looking for money cause they do have a lot of money theirselves.



RichardFvV
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Here some types of girls hanging around in blok m. Just funny to read.

http://jakartablokm.com/characters/girls.htm


'Hij bevalt me niet.' Waarom niet? 'Ik ben niet tegen hem opgewassen.' Heeft een mens ooit zo geantwoord?

sidia
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He , Richard , nice site.

I need that kind of site , because it is embarrassing to me if I ask my mrs to have fun( jalan jalan) at Blok M.
Now I know the places not to be .

(pssst : or to be )


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On 24-10-2005 12:55 sidia wrote:

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It depends what kind girl you are looking for. ?
Looking for decent girl ? , go to decent places .


So what would be a decent place in Jakarta? And how do I talk to those girls?
Thank you?



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On 24-10-2005 10:32 RichardFvV wrote:
Wake up Dre, in general, most girls hanging around in nightclubs and who are chasing westerners are prostitutes and if they are not asking you for money the first nights they might be even worse and simulate to be in love with you and some poor guys get even married this way. Be wise and just give them some money, a kind of developing money, and then tell them to piss off, it has nothing to do with being desperate or whatsoever, just being smart............

Regards,

R.


But I don't look like a westener, actually I have an Indonesian face and the girl said some times that I'm handsome and that she liked my smile. Did she lie and it doesn't matter whether I look like a westener or not?



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No, a client is a client. Wether your Indonesian or westerner. Last week I was in Tigapuluh and I saw that the public is mixed, westerners and Indonesians. The girls would rather go with an Indonesian then a westerner cause rich Indonesians are mostly more generous with money then the Bule's.
Anyway, if you have to believe everytime a girls says that your handsome then you will loose a lot of money.



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On 25-10-2005 08:16 Yogya-Bali wrote:


The girls would rather go with an Indonesian then a westerner cause rich Indonesians are mostly more generous with money then the Bules.


Very interesting.
I always heard / read the stories of the so called Dompet Hidup.

Blackdre : are you dutch ?
IF yes , what will you do in holland ?
Going to bars , disco , clubs searching for a decent girl ?
I think its logical if you go to the church at sunday or a gathering like E.O. Jongerendag of something like that.

Halleluja , praise the lord.



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Hi Sidia,
do you know what the problem is for Dutch guys? These girls like in tiga puluh look so innocent in Dutch eyes. Ever seen girls from the red light district in Belanda? With them there's little doubt about their profession.....

You're right though, "Going to bars , disco , clubs searching for a decent girl" it's not the first place to look.

In Indonesia it's not that hard to find a decent girl. Just have a nice chat in the park on Sunday afternoon. If you know a little Bahasa Ind. you'll have some decent friends before you know it. Emoticon: Smile Emoticon: Smile Emoticon: Smile






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Yes, but that is often the problem: the language. So, most of the tourists (or expats) only are able to meet girls in the bar, in a restaurant or hotel where they are staying. They fall in love with a bargirl or a waitress, and that gives the mixed marriages a bad name cause a lot of Indonesians are thinking that a bule is only able to marry a so-called lowerclass girl. Ofcourse that is not always true but in a lot of cases they are right. The girls in the above mentioned places mostly know at least some English so they are able to communicate with foreigners/clients.
It's the standard thing and as a tourist you are mostly confrontated with the girls who are working in your hotel or in the restaurant where you are eating or to have some fun you go to the disco like you're used to in Europe.
Like is said above , you can meet decent girls in other places like a park, the campus, at a station, at the airport, in the train, in the bus, and so on. But then mostly you need to manage to speak Indonesian to have a nice and constructive conversation (although nowadays a lot of the Indonesian youth can speak English).



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On 25-10-2005 11:25 Yogya-Bali wrote:
Yes, but that is often the problem: the language.

But then mostly you need to manage to speak Indonesian to have a nice and constructive conversation (although nowadays a lot of the Indonesian youth can speak English).


Yes , IF I make a comparison between now and 15 yrs ago , there are now more waitres or salegirls who speak english.
Even better than Sidia with his tarzan english.
But I can always speak Indonesian if I have trouble with my english.


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most of the tourists (or expats) only are able to meet girls in the bar because they don't speak Bahasa Ind.
Long long ago, the first time I was in Indonesia, I spoke less than 10 words Bahasa Indonesia and was there on a round trip. After sight seeing I usually had a rest in the park and very often a couple of girls came asking "where I came from" "what's your name"... etc etc.. They all wanted to practise their little bit of English and were very curious and interested about this guy from far away.

Maybe these were not the type of girls most tourists or expats like, they're just normal friendly girls with no false intentions.

I'm not sure how the situation is nowadays, but I guess not that different. So, why go to blok m to find girls that surely want something else than you?




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In indonesia, any girl that ask you to get laid with her is always Prostitute. So you better withdraw lotsa money from ATM if you want to seek girl for S.E.X.

Mostly, good girls here dont get sex before getting married. It's just our custom. And im proud of it.



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Please give me a break. Is this a joke? Is this real? You still believe in fairy tales? Or you want to believe the tales the Indonesian officials try to convince foreigners with?
If good girls don't get sex in Indonesia before they're getting married, then there're almost no good girls in the country (for me you can still be a very good gir although having sex before marriage).
Read the surveys Blackmamba - and if you're Indonesian open your eyes. That's one of the problems here: too many people don't want to see reality but want to believe in some fantasy world.
A lot of researches on this topic had as a result that about 98% of the female students had already sex before they even have a real relation (we're nog talking about marriage yet). Same situation in the kampungs.
Only in poor areas you probably will get a virgin when you marry because they marry at the age of 12 until 15 years old (talking about paedophilia in this country).
Please don't let us start again with these superseded lies.
And it's nothing to be proud of if your statement should be real (which isn't). Better be ashamed if the girls were having sex only after marriage; a superseded, old-fashioned institution invented by some religious power-mad persons from a comy, droll faith.
I'm proud of the Indonesian girls who have the guts to stand up against this male-dominated idea about who is a good or a bad girl, and do have sex before they marry. They have equal rights on these things as a man.
Hobby number one for Indonesian men is adultery and going to the hookers. That's what about 85% of the converstaions between men concerns. So, aren't the ladies not allowed to do the same thing?



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word!! Emoticon: Cooool

Emoticon: Bye bye



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BlackMamba made me smile


Begin de details te vergeten

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On 11-09-2006 18:47 JohanN wrote:
BlackMamba made me smile


Well Johan, my first reaction was the same and I thought that it is actually very sad and also tragic that Indonesian youth still believe in fairy-tales, wishful thinking about things which are far from reality. But then when I started to realize that there are still Indonesians who have such dangerous thoughts about who is a good girl and who is a bad girl, made me react on BlackMamba.

Yesterday my wife was attacked by 2 bearded men with a white cap on their head (no helmet ofcourse because they are above the secular law) while she was my bringing my 2 daughters to school. According to these "holy" men she was stimulating "hawa napsu" (sexual desire) the way she was dressed. Well, to be honest there was nothing wrong with the way she was dressed. Just a common T-shirt with sleeves and jeans.
If these men are stimulated by "hawa napsu" then there's something wrong with them, not with my wife. Probably they need a male chastity belt, or get some therapy in preventing men from sexual harassment (because the problem is mostly a male problem).

Ideas like BlackMamba's are really becoming a threat in this country. These thoughts are very dangerous and out-spoken anti-female when people start to judge who is a good or a bad girl.
I was hoping on more reactions on these dangerous thoughts and remarks.



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giegel giegel


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Yogya-Bali,
I'm shocked to hear about what happend to your wife, and I hope those bearded men get psychological help soon with their (sexual) disorder.

Blackmamba is living in another world saying that the most girl don/t have sex before they get married. Or he doesn't have a clou about whats really happening arround him.
Girls are trying to be equal with the boys on this issue but its still very hard unfortunely. Boys/man still don'n take there responsibilty after she is getting pregnant which sometimes results in suicide by the girl ( I heard about some cases in Yogya)
I do agree with Gus Dur in his radio interview: porno is in your mind.
Sorry, I'm now mixing some different topics i guess.
Thanx for your clear comment YB.




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come on guy's, Blackmamba probably onle came here for a couple of days and only hung out in clubs.

In that case he probably met a lot of girls for money,

Just don't give him a to bad time as naieve as he is, if he met some sharks there, he probably lost a lot of money only to find out he is left alone behind again.

poor guy....

I hear a lot of stories like that here. you must be carefull

PS.... me to is alone now, but, well.... thats a different story. luckely not that way....



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now i read all again, maybe i had it all wrong......
to be honest I don't care.... he he he

nice thing to say anyway.....

Greetz



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On 25-10-2005 11:10 Agung wrote:
Hi Sidia,
do you know what the problem is for Dutch guys? These girls like in tiga puluh look so innocent in Dutch eyes. Ever seen girls from the red light district in Belanda? With them theres little doubt about their profession.....

Youre right though, "Going to bars , disco , clubs searching for a decent girl" its not the first place to look.

In Indonesia its not that hard to find a decent girl. Just have a nice chat in the park on Sunday afternoon. If you know a little Bahasa Ind. youll have some decent friends before you know it. Emoticon: Smile Emoticon: Smile Emoticon: Smile


Agung yth.,

Actually some young Dutch men of the younger generation do not differ from their ancestors, 'the old colonials', they ask for the 'Nyai" and those young guys ask for girls from ....... Emoticon: Yes! Emoticon: Yes! what you are not able to do in your own country you do it abroad ......... otherwise they do 'it' with East-European girls from Poland/Hungary/Rumania ........
It is the same thing: "To get more out of your isn't it"......


'Ahu kura ahia, mansia nia'

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Nah it is indeed a myth that Indonesian girls stay virgin until after they are married. But still a few actually do it. About bule only being able to get ladies on the lookout for money is also a myth.

If you are a tall and healthy white guy you can pick up any normal girl (girl from middle/high class with job of uni education) As long as you behave nice and normal, dress well, smell ok and are able to carry on a normal conversation (as somebody here already said) Tall and handsome young bule will have no problem attracting the best and most decent Indo. girl. And don't be shy because Indonesian girls will not be comfortable with people who don't behave self confident.

But as some people here said it is important to be careful. Indeed many girls with not such good intentions target (naive) bule sometimes posing as nice girls who have a nice job when in real they only work in the .....ahem..nightscene. When you meet a girl even in an upscale disco at night and she tells you she is a trisakti student or has a good job she might be telling the truth, but she might also be bullshitting you.
Many indonesian girls from respectable background are not allowed to go out or stay out until the wee hours, just the fact that you meet her at lets say 2 in the morning in a disco might be a giveaway. But not always, as we say in Indonesia, things are not always as they seem". It is possible that parents stay in different towns and therefore don't have the possiblity to guard the daughter. In Bandung for instance, many female students stay in boarding houses or Kos, far away from mum and daddieeeeeeeeeeeee....

One more time if you are a young and tall and goodlooking bule you don't have to go to bars to meet the Indonesian girls, many and believe me very many absolutely nice and normal girls are waiting for you to approach them. Some of these girls might not be aggressive enough to approach you themselves but they will play a very subtile "main mata" game with you which in itself is proof they are interested in you.

Coba di mall dong, jalan2 disana, ce2 sana semua kan tertarik sama anda.




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