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Jeroen
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I was wondering what the starting days of Ramadhan are in 2005 and 2006. I find several different dates for this year as well as next year:

2005:
- 04 Oktober 2005
- 01 Oktober 2005

2006:
- 24 september 2006
- 17 september 2006

I know Ramadhan is a bunch of days earlier in our calender every year, and that the start of Ramadhan varies one or two days depending on the location in the world, but differences of 3 days and even a week... I don't understand.

There must be someone who can give me more details regarding Ramadhan times in Indonesia. Maybe someone can even ask the local imam.

Why do I want to know it? I want to bring my family around a few weeks and I don't want them to be right in the middle of Ramadhan all the time. I don't want to send them to Bali as well.

Yerun



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Yerun,

see www.indonesia.nl/articles.php?rank=15&art_cat_id=37



Jantje
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On 03-06-2005 18:40 Jeroen wrote:
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I want to bring my family around a few weeks and I dont want them to be right in the middle of Ramadhan all the time. I dont want to send them to Bali as well.
Yerun

Don't under estimate the aftermath. Traveling and shopping are no option. Emoticon: Talk to the hand



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Hi Yerun,

Ayam sori, aku menulis yg dibawah dalam bahasa Belanda, karena susah dan aku malas...lagi kurang enak badan Emoticon: Angry

De Mohamedaanse jaartelling is gebaseerd op het maanjaar, in tegenstelling tot onze jaartelling die op het zonnejaar is gebaseerd. Een maanmaand kan varieren van 28-30 dagen, doch staan niet zo vast als de "zonnemaanden". Het echte begin van de bulan suci Ramadhan kan ook alleen vastgesteld worden vlak voordat deze begint. Een paar van die Imans gaan dan met een sterrekijkertje in het duister staren om te ontdekken of het al nieuwe maan is, dat is aster helemaal niets te zien is. Is dit een feit, ja dan kan de Ramadhan beginnen. Op je site staat zo een schemaatje getiteld "Perkiraan Awal Puasa dan Idul Fitri 2003-2011" Perkiraan = hier "vermoedelijk" de echte datum kan een dag vroeger of later zijn, vandaar het verschil van drie dagen. Het einde van de Ramadhan wordt op dezelfde manier bepaald, elk jaar zijn er weer gelovigen die op een verschillende dag de vasten stoppen. Het hangt er maar vanaf in welke Iman je het vertrouwen stelt. De meeste Imans zijn al oud en sommigen vergeten wel eens naar de jaarlijkse controle van de oogarts te gaan of hebben hun bril gewoon vergeten (aduh lupa....) Die natuur-godsdiensten zijn een beetje moeilijk te omvatten voor ons Westerlingen die graag hun toekomst, van geboorte tot dood, vastomlijnd willen zien met behulp van agenda, horloge en polissen. Zelf heb ik deze attributen al jaren geleden afgeschafd als zijnde overbodige en hartverzwakkende attributen in dit land.

Waarschijnlijk klinkt deze uitleg een beetje simpel, ik ben geen astronoom, laat staan iman, want van de Club van Rome.

Gruces






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On 04-06-2005 04:04 Jantje wrote:
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Dont under estimate the aftermath. Traveling and shopping are no option. Emoticon: Talk to the hand


Yeah.. that's what I heard as well.. not experienced it yet though. I will try to avoid those days for my family too.



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On 03-06-2005 19:31 pietervanriet wrote:
Yerun,

see www.indonesia.nl/articles.php?rank=15&art_cat_id=37



aduh... that's what I needed. Searching on the wrong words doesn't help me of course.



Jeroen
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Removed to prevent your adress from being spammed. Click this to go to the user profile.Londoh;

I know the origin in big lines. Indeed what you told; for most westerners it's harder to understand why it's not a fixed date in the future. But still I want to try to avoid it this time.

I don't have a watch as well.. but a computer and my hp do have their own time to inform me as well Emoticon: Wink



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I don’t get it why you should avoid travel to indonesia during or after Rhamadan, I’ve been many times to indonesia during the fasting month and don’t see any problem.
In fact I enjoyed to experience Idul Fitri and especially being stuck during takbiran for 1 ˝ hour on sudirman hehe…huge crowd and motorbikes till dawn, and then during a week jkt is soooo quiet, in my opinion there is no disadvantage to travel during Rhamadan.
It’s harder to get a trainticket for example but to change your plan because of Rhamadan is ridiculous.
Mohon maaf lahir dan batin




Jeroen
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Whether I change my plan or not doesn't really involve myself. As mentioned before I will bring my parents to Indonesia for the first time. They are not looking for "soooo quiet", but the 'normal' Indonesia outside Ramadhan.

Getting tickets will be an issue as well, as I can't go everywhere with my motorbike, at least not with two other people on it.



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Because they use Arabic calender, the longest day in a month only 30 days.




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