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londoh
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I heard from girls how much money they stole from bule, they are easy victims, can't stand an Indonesian smile and a small seeking hand in their pants (I got ants in my pants Emoticon: Yeah right! ) One girl from Yogya stole a few 1000 US $ from a guy and bought her self a sepeda motor, in 3 days she had an accident with it, broke two legs. Allah's revenge ??



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I heard from girls how much money they stole from bule, they are easy victims, can't stand an Indonesian smile and a small seeking hand in their pants (I got ants in my pants ) One girl from Yogya stole a few 1000 US $ from a guy and bought her self a sepeda motor, in 3 days she had an accident with it, broke two legs. Allah's revenge ??

Dear Man,
It would be super if you tell the forum about your experience with Indonesian women ?
Not the fucking part(boring)but your reasons to share your "feelings" (?)with Asian woman.
The situation of kicking out a woman in your home country is expensive.
as far as I've been told.
Apart from very attractive financial reasons staying in Asia, women are "free".
I hope they will wake up and take their revenge.Slowly but intensively.
Emoticon: Yes!
cheers
aponto



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Dear aponto

In my experience Indonesian women are even more expensive. Emoticon: Confused Emoticon: Nice
And as soon as u marry them it would get equally expensive to get rid of them. If the gals there wouldnt have a problem with lokal guys they wouldnt fall for bule guys. So better check your own attitude.

greetz
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Dear Hilmar. try to look to prostitution in SE-Asia from an Asian point of view. Not always the condemnation from a western point of view. That's western arrogance: always to know it better and always condemning situations they think are not right.



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Sacha wrote: IMO these holiday girls dont do this because they are hungry or especially poor but because they want all those nice little things. Expensive clothes, jewelery, little trips here and there.

A big part of these girls are actually going out with a man especially for these nice little things, handphones, jewelry, motorbike, etc.
Read Indonesian newspaper and magazines; they're full of these stories. Even on television.
Take for example Yogyakarta: it is a well-known secret that many students prostitue themselves and not because they are poor but because they want to have a new HP, or some fuel for the motorbike to be able to hang out with their friends, or whatever reason. Mostly it's even not seen as prostitution.
Another well-known secret (also in the magazines) is f.e. that you can book a celebrity for a good price. Well, I don't think that they are poor. It's all about the nice little things, materialistic.




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On 05-10-2005 05:30 Yogya-Bali wrote:
Dear Hilmar. try to look to prostitution in SE-Asia from an Asian point of view. Not always the condemnation from a western point of view. Thats western arrogance: always to know it better and always condemning situations they think are not right.


Dear person Yogya-Bali,
I never wrote that what I think is more right then what somebody else wrote, but you must be teribble naf, or blind, if you believe that girls are happy to do this work, but I can understand you/people are willing to believe it, so that you feel not quilty having sex with them, but feeling good cause you donate money for the family, yep, very generous. Emoticon: Worship


- Let us live simply so that others may simply live -

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Yeah, yeah, there we go again, the always condemnation of others from the Christian (probably you're Dutch and having the burden of a Calvinistic education) point of view.
Please read what i wrote: it could be that both people are happy if there's a relation coming out. And don't point at me cause I don't need anybody else. Quite content with my own wife.
If somebody is very naive, then it's probably you (you're probably still young?). Don't put your own values on another culture and another society with principles from the west.



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People who understand something about Indonesia and try to explain things on this forum will always have trouble. As many people full of Western thinking try to remind them of Western values. The only Westerns values that really count in Indonesia are US$, Euro, S$, M$ etc.

What is very important in Indonesia is to realize people over there have quite a different thinking than people in the West. The West is a collection of individuals, in Indonesia the most important thing is the family, those families tend to be very big, as they even have relations until the 5th degree. Friendship as is known is the West is nearly non-existant in Indonesia, friendship in Indo is often based on money. "If you pay I am your friend" Emoticon: Yeah right!

A girl child is of less value than a boy, if a woman marries she goes to the family of her husband (this can be different in other areas than Java).Children will always help their parents to bring in money to survive if necessairy. A "worthless" girl has great posibilties, especially when she is not a virgin anymore. Love affairs are not based on the kind of naive thinking many westerns have and show here,, it has evrything to do with money and status. In general marriage is an affair between 2 families rather than between 2 individuals.

Caveat Emptor Emoticon: Shiny

Londoh




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On 05-10-2005 10:02 Yogya-Bali wrote:

Please read what i wrote: it could be that both people are happy if theres a relation coming out. And dont point at me cause I dont need anybody else. Quite content with my own wife.
If somebody is very naive, then its probably you (youre probably still young?). Dont put your own values on another culture and another society with principles from the west.


Hai Pak Yogya-Bali,
Nave as I am, I directly started reading again this topic to find where you wrote what you said above. I quess I am a bit blind too cause I didn't find it, but if what you wwrote above is what you meant, I have to agree with you, cause when a realtion is coming out then offcourse both can be happy!
Well, you are right with one thing, I guess I am younger then you, about the other things its really the opposite Emoticon: Smile
Ga apa2 nih
But let us not start getting too personal.
I just expressed my opinion based on true stories from true people and they were not happy with their job and prefferd other work, but I didn't interview all the ayam kampus from lembah UGM so it can be very true that many of them just go for some extra luxury...

Londoh, I very agree with that marriage part.



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We're on the right track again. If somebody accompanies a foreigner during his tour in Indonesia I will be the last to condemn anybody, whether the girl is doing it for money cause she needs it, whether she's doing cause she wants to buy herself a mobile phone or some other fancy thing, whether she's just having fun (including the sex) or whether she's looking for a long term relationship with a foreigner (not always a bule).
About getting personal my dear Hilmar: who started? But okay, it would be childish if we proceed the discussion in this way. Probably everybody can find something in all the reactions here above.



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Ok, if it was me who started gettin personal, I appologize.
Peace.

Do you think thoze girls take a brake during ramadan?
(this is a question to everybody)



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Sorry, it's me again who answers, but the answer is Yes. It sounds strange but also a lot of these girls fast (by own free will or forced by the government or the FPI).



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boys,
please excuse me if l'm wrong... but jumping to conclusion, l think you are all discussing about 'working girls' a.k.a call girls a.k.a personal escort which in another world sometimes called 'prostitutes'?

(it's really men's talks ja..)


Slightly older, hopefully wiser, absolutely prettier

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On 05-10-2005 23:58 kinanti pinta wrote:
boys,
l think you are all discussing about working girls


maybe the wrong places , wrong girls

(salah lingkungan)


Bisa dicek mas . http://omsid.multiply.com/

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Sidia, what do you mean by that? Please enlighten me..

By the way, somebody is still awake at this hour? it's almost six am in jakarta.. but l am working, hahaha... hey, don't get me wrong. l don't mean it in a 'working girls' context. I am a tolles madchen, good girl hahaha.. But l think people will say something like, "you've got to see it to believe it." ah, well... Emoticon: Bye bye


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pagi kinanti Emoticon: Bye bye

You are still up or just got up? Still news around at this time?

n nighty night Emoticon: Wink Emoticon: Yawn



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k.p.
I am agree with yr comment.
And It is my comments abt the opinion of some people in this fora , how they think about indonesian woman or girls , the kind of relationship between a bule man and an indonesian girls ,making fun etc etc .
Some of them think that they can buy everything.
Yes they can buy it , but only in a " wrong place " and only "wrong girls ".
(di lingkungan salah = salah lingkungan) .



Bisa dicek mas . http://omsid.multiply.com/

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Emoticon: Confused Emoticon: Confused
When I'm in Indonesia, I sometimes go out, have dinner and leave Jakarta with an Indonesian woman (ibu2) I know. Being a gentleman, I pay all the expenses and on trips I give her money so she can buy things or oleh2 without depending on me.
I don't love her, she doesn't love me, but we like each other. I give her the opportunity to forget all her masalah for a while and I enjoy her company 24/7



tunawisma, tunakarya, tunamasalah

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Wow Sidik, you're a real gentleman..sleep in sperate rooms while travelling I suppose. Emoticon: Shiny Be aware abt Indonesian men who will laugh behind your back and give it a try......................... Emoticon: Confused



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Hi sascha,
yesterday morning l was still up and tonight too. You're talking to a vampire here... l work at night and sleep during the day because my program runs in the morning. And you, still up or just got up? alleine oder zuzweit? whoops, l don't wanna know.. hehehee..

and sidia, yes, l see what you mean. Not all indo girls have that kind of mindsetting, like taking financial advantages of foreigners. If given the chance, l would gladly pay a foreign man for a night of fun. The earth doesn't always have to revolve around the sun. Sometimes it can be the other way around. Emoticon: Very funny




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He come Guys you dont know Sidik "s preferences it could be that he has a different opinion about to spoil a woman ,I can understand him quite well.
Its not only sex thats counts ,cuman mobrol mobrol dan peluk bisa juga kan.
or .......



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Yup! just a chat and occasional hugs, why not? But sometimes one or both sides ask for something more... Emoticon: Yawn l should get some sleep.. Emoticon: Sadley


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Whats wrong with sharing time with bule. Around me black enough, but I like to challange the white. Who knows, maybe there's a nice one. I have seen black enough.
Come to Bali and have fun. Emoticon: Bye bye



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Don't get me wrong. Of course we have sex, a lot of it. But I only wanted to show the small margin for being a whore or not when a woman and money are involved.




tunawisma, tunakarya, tunamasalah

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What Sidia Teh Botol is to sweet man,better try the pickwick green tea is just like a perfect holiday girl,




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